I interview Elsie Brown, an energy intuitive and life coach, whom I met on TikTok. I appreciate her approach in how she expresses her insights and shares her wisdom. There are so many different paths to how we each develop and then express our intuition and energy. We discuss that topic and more in today’s episode. You can find her on TikTok at @brown19170
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[00:00:00] Hello everybody. Welcome back to the podcast. It is so good to have you here today. . I interviewed Elsie Brown, and this was a couple months back, but I met Elsie through TikTok and what I really appreciated about her is she’s very committed to her own style. She is on a journey. She shares her journey, and then she shares her insights, her wisdom, her best practice.
And I really value any practitioner or anyone in this space who comes at it from their own way and shares their journey. Because if we only share the highlights, how do we learn ? So, and I’m, I probably need to get better about sharing on social media. I’m on the podcast, I share with you guys all my dirt.
I’m fine with that. But when it comes to social media, I need to figure out a way. [00:01:00] Do that better. So anyway, on that note here is my interview with Elsie and you are gonna hear me do more interviews with folks who you know. I really wanna get into the actual path people took to get to the point where they practice energy or conscious spirituality in their day-to-day.
Because it doesn’t matter if you are an aesthetician or a bus driver or a teacher or someone who makes furniture or works in a corporate job, we’re always spiritually on. So how do we bring more elements of ourself into the day-to-day life and. Our society is like full steam ahead in that direction, and then here you and I and others are trying to blaze this trail and figure it out and we will get there.
There is another side to all of this, [00:02:00] and I hope I see it in my lifetime. Who knows? But here is my interview with ELs. Enjoy.
Welcome everyone to the Your Energy First Podcast. I’m your host, Emily Marie, and it is such a pleasure to have you here today to co-create with you in this space and to talk about all things your energy.
Welcome back to the podcast, everybody. Today I’m going to be having a conversation, sharing a conversation with Elsie, who is with me here today. I would love for you to introduce yourself. I’m Elsie. I’m an energy intuitive and life coach and general Phyllis philosophical person. . Yeah. And you, uh, live on some [00:03:00] property with some pretty fun animals.
Yeah, I live on 16 acres on a, a farm in Oregon. It’s more like a, like a hobby farm. We have just a few goats, a few pigs, a few dogs. That’s awesome. I do not have a farm, but I live near the water and the animals that come around make my heart sore. I love them so much. So we, you and I as we were getting ready for this conversation today, We’re talking about, we’re just kind of doing a check-in for how we’re both feeling.
And uh, yeah. Why don’t we reiterate that for the sake of this podcast. So how are you feeling today? Yeah, I have felt so overwhelmed. out of nowhere, and I’m having one of those weeks where it feels like I’m overscheduled, uh, but I’m just overscheduled for the amount of energy that I happen to have. For my normal amount of [00:04:00] energy.
I have just a fine schedule, so you never know how you’re gonna feel, but I always get down on myself because I wanna show up. in a certain way, and I have so much pressure to be perfect, you know? But we are here to talk about energy and so I feel like the awareness of energy is a really good topic.
Agreed. Agreed. I also get the impression, and I would love your take on this, that there’s this idea out there. I. , uh, modern spirituality is a bit broken. I think there’s this concept of people that either have a gift or an ability, and then the people that don’t. Like, there’s either people that have an intuition and have a spiritual skillset, and then there’s the people that are like on the receiving end of it.
Mm-hmm. and, and then of course there’s people. Myself or like you, who this is what we do [00:05:00] professionally, but to me it’s no different than someone who say is a chef. Mm-hmm. , but everybody cooks, right? Or someone who’s a personal trainer, but everybody works out. So what I love about your share, about how you were feeling is also the fact that just because you do this line of work professionally, it doesn’t mean we’re always on this like spiritual high vibe plane,
everybody is a spiritual being, and I feel like there’s this tendency to say that some people are more spiritual than others and that some people have gifts and some people don’t. It’s more that some people have a gift more in one direction, like I have the gift of wavy thick hair. and some people have really thin hair , but they have really beautiful eyes or something.
So I don’t know. I just think about it rom Das had a teaching about like the forest is full of different kinds of trees and some of them are really tall and some of [00:06:00] them are really fat and like stumps and every single tree serves the forest in a different. and that’s how I’ve come to see people is just like everybody is a spiritual being that serves the collective in their own unique way.
And it’s so funny. We develop these, this idea of what we’re supposed to be and we completely waste our energy trying to be whatever that archetype is that we think is the best. You know, we have just trouble being in our own gifts. I agree. Why do you think that is? If we like broad. . Why do you think it’s so tough for us to be that way?
There has been not enough validation and emphasis on. uniqueness and gifts. I think that human design actually opened that up a lot for me. Like to see that some people are just anarchists and the best thing that they do is just uproot everything. And other [00:07:00] people are like completion, so they’re, they’re like here to help everybody complete their energy.
Just all kinds of stuff like that. I believe that we dev, like we developed these. Ideas about what we’re supposed to be so that we can feel safe. It’s the same reason that we try to predict the future, is like, oh yes, I will be this, and then this is gonna be a good thing for me to be. It’s much harder to just be what you are.
Also, I’ve been connecting so much with the idea because I, I’ve been doing a lot of shadow work and it’s kind of in the same way that like, people don’t wanna be gay. You know, it’s not so much anymore, but people used to be like, no, no, I cannot be gay. That’s not okay to be right. I have parts of me that are very manipulative and want to lie to people and want to be.
greedy. And so much of my healing is just like about integrating those things, you know? And like everybody has pieces of themselves that [00:08:00] they don’t wanna be, and the greater that we can bring those in and be aware of them, we don’t have to act out in them, you know? Yeah, yeah. So many good points you just made.
What to you is, I guess, what is the shadow? Simply put, , it’s any part of me that was fractured away and abandoned. So there’s a part of me that really likes to enjoy fatty, delicious foods, and I watched my mom hate herself for her body, and I went, oh, well, if I enjoy delicious foods, then I will be fat and nobody will love me, and I’m gonna hate myself.
And so every time I see like a cupcake or a brownie, I just go, no, no, that’s bad. That [00:09:00] is not only unhealthy for you, but that’s gonna make you a bad person. Like there’s some part of me and so I don’t know, that’s kind of the way that the shadow is showing itself to me right now is just like, what do I reject?
What won’t I let in, you know? Mm-hmm. , that’s beautiful. It’s interesting. as you’re sharing this, it makes me realize sometimes we don’t even, it’s so normal for us to have those thoughts that we don’t realize that they’re unhealthy because we’re projecting onto ourselves. and we will perpetuate it even if we know that it’s something that we don’t want.
I noticed myself doing this with like a hardworking attitude. So like I’ve been doing so much work around the connotation of laziness. This comes back to like energy ideas, like believing that people are lazy if they are taking time for themselves or they’re being selfish [00:10:00] if they’re taking time for themselves, and I.
I’ve realized that so much of this is like our economic training about like always being productive and always optimizing our actions. And we have a teenager in the house and she has not. Gotten into her full adulthood productivity mode, like it happened for me around 18 years old, where I remember like suddenly feeling like if I’m not producing something, then I am in some way failing.
and I see her being able to rest and being able to like wake up at 1:00 PM and not feel guilty about it at all. And I find myself reinforcing in her that she needs to work hard, that she needs to wake up at a decent time. and almost like in a guilty way. And I’m like, whoa, whoa, whoa. That’s not [00:11:00] what I want for her.
I would much rather her be comfortable with waking up whenever she wants, because that’s what I want for myself. And yet I still reinforce. You have to work hard. You have to put in a lot of hours. You have to do things that you don’t wanna do in order to be successful in this life, which I don’t believe is true anymore.
I. That is so interesting because that story you just shared, I see how that is the direction we’re headed and I have no clue how we’re gonna go from this industrious life that we’re all currently in. To that. I have no clue how this is gonna work, , I see how there’s so many people in this community. Who they’re on this trajectory of the reform, the change, they’re figuring it out for themselves step by step.
It’s not easy. And they often feel as though they might be the only person in their household or in their family who’s making this shift. So they feel like the [00:12:00] crazy one. And it’s my personal belief based on my experience that the people who are really stuck and holding, holding the fort down on the.
Style are, those are the souls who are coming here for the most change. Hmm. So whereas we’re, those of us who are going through this process are sort of, I guess I wouldn’t even say gently guiding. I mean, we probably feel like we’re tripping along on our own path. It’s What advice would you give to someone who feels like they are.
You know, it’s such an internal dialogue. It’s such an internal process. Thankfully we have social media to meet like hearted souls that are going through something similar. What would you say to someone who’s sort of in that household where they feel like they’re changing, they’re moving forward, and yet the other people are sort of digging their heels in and stuck?
I can see in real time, like the people in my, because I’m in one of those families where nobody else is spiritual, although I think all of us are [00:13:00] actually light workers. I’m the only one who has embraced it. . But what I tend to do is I go, oh, okay. You’re choosing to be like in that old stuck energy, and I will be here for you when you see the light and whenever I, they want to kind of gaslight me.
I feel pretty gas lit and invalidated around my intuitive gifts, around psychic skills, around crystals and chakras and all that stuff. None of that stuff is believed. in my household. And so it can feel really invalidating day-to-day, which is why I have a lot of outlets for that stuff, like on TikTok and um, I’m like gathering people on the internet to be my support system to remind me.
But yes, sometimes I will still. abandon myself a little bit around my spiritual self, my spiritual light. [00:14:00] And truly it’s people like you who remind me, you know, about the inner light, about working with energy. I hope this is not an editing nightmare cuz I’m kind of going on little monologues with you. Um, fine.
We don’t edit much for this podcast. It’s more like I sneeze. I had a sneezing fit a couple of minutes ago. We’ll edit that out and that’ll be it. Yeah. . Yeah, we go and like I have to tell you, stuff like that that I hear on podcasts, it really humanizes it and makes it feel like I’m in the room with people.
So even stuff like that, I don’t need think, it needs to be edited out. I lost the next rant that I was gonna go on. I’m sure that it’ll come back, but I just, my brain lost it, so it’s okay. I already have my next question for you. . I always like to share, I always like to preface these, that these things are my opinions based on my experience.
Cause I’m always open to, I learn something new every day. Energetically. It’s my mind’s blown pretty much every day. . So I know that [00:15:00] things can evolve. How, what was, what is your, what was your experience like? When did you realize, okay, I am someone who has this skillset? You know, I don’t call ’em gifts cuz gifts to me are something.
You know, it’s like bestowed on someone, right? The psychic abilities or whatever. So your skillset, when did you realize, oh gosh, I’m a little bit more sensitive than the people I’m around. I never believed that I was, uh, sensitive or, um, Intuitive or anything. I was very, um, invalidated in like most areas of my life.
Like I was very invalidated for my emotions. I was told that everything was okay and that I kind of needed to buck up. I had a very. Tough mom that was kind of like, all right, you’re gonna walk to school now that you’re in fourth grade. Like it was a very, you’re [00:16:00] gonna figure it out. Um, and that’s why I’m such a strong person today and I believe that I wanted that.
Um, there’s a lot of pressure on me to grow up quickly, so, um, I only recognize this in myself when I had. maybe about seven years sober. So I would’ve been about 25 or 26 and were encouraged in 12 step programs to have a spiritual life, to develop a spiritual relationship. And so I started on that journey of like, what is my higher power?
What is that for me? And I got in a relationship with a man who was very spiritual, who had read a lot of books by um, Dr. Wayne Dyer. And he was like, oh, mediumship, oh, spirits and all this stuff. And I was like, yeah, I really identify with that stuff. Maybe it would be okay for me to do that. Maybe it would be okay for me to.
Research this, and it’s so funny because mm-hmm. , I, [00:17:00] um, I did not grow up in a religious household, but I definitely grew up in a household that thought, um, anything mediumship or energy work was like woo stuff and was like, not really. Okay. Uh, . As I’ve gotten older, I’ve just like integrated more with spirituality and read a lot of books, and he and I read a lot of books together about soul planning.
And, um, my sister, uh, went to a massage therapist slash medium slash reiki healer and I had a few readings from him and it opened me up to the idea that people could communicate, um, from beyond and, um, with the astral realms and. Basically what we’re experiencing here is not the full picture of reality.
That it’s only one, it’s only one dimension of reality. Uh, so as far as my intuitive gifts, I only [00:18:00] started to validate those in the last. nine months or so. Um, another psychic that my sister found on TikTok. Mm-hmm. , uh, I saw her and she did the cards and I thought the cards were so silly and stupid. Uh, I was like, oh my God, I’m going to a tarot reader.
And, uh, she read me and she was like, you are so intuitive. You could be doing what I am doing. But you don’t believe that you can. Uh, so she was the beginning of me starting to listen to my intuition. And the more I’ve developed that channel, um, the stronger it’s gotten for me, the more I’ve been able to go, okay, this is spirit guidance versus this is anxiety.
Um, The clear senses have been so [00:19:00] difficult for me because in so many ways it feels like I’m speaking to myself and my own voice, and it’s really hard to differentiate that. . I think what’s helped me a lot there has been, um, having a lot of experience with spiritual literature. There’s a perfectness to it that regular life doesn’t have, and it almost just resonates in my gut where I’m like, that is truth.
That’s the way I would describe it. And there’s music that’s like that. There are certain books that are like that. They don’t have to be spiritual books. Like there’s a spiritual perfectness to some material. Thanks. So what I’m hearing is, sounds like growing up you sort of followed curiosities. So through partnerships, books, discussions, obviously getting connected with different practitioners.
And I know that I’m generalizing [00:20:00] your story. , and I really resonate too with how you said, I think it was a taro reader, was the one who had to sort of validate for you that you have these, the skillset, these abilities, which I, I see a lot of people looking for. And it makes sense because if you look at how our society is structured, schools, tests, grades, report cards, and then job, you get a paycheck, you have reviews from your.
And yet you jump into the spiritual realm. And one of the things spirits taught me, why our inner, you know, an inner light is a general term, but why our inner light and why our spiritual practice is so important is because that’s where we’re gonna get our own teachings for ourself. And then to your point, just that truth, everybody has such a unique truth.
Mm-hmm. . And so you are, you’ve developed or you’re developing your. [00:21:00] Spiritual, you’re fine tuning your awareness around what’s you, what’s spirit, what’s your anxiety? That is such a common thing. Let’s say you wake up one morning and you’re doing your morning routine and you, your intention is that you’re aligning with your higher self, your source, your spirit guides, whomever.
What would happen if, say you, what does it feel like when it’s your. What does it feel like when it’s not your thoughts and it’s the truth? You mentioned that perfectness to it. Like how do you go from, okay, I can tell those are my thoughts right now. How do you shift gears into, okay, I’m aligned with what I want to be aligned with.
Does that make sense? My question? Yeah. There’s a, there’s quite a lack of clarity for me when it is my own thoughts. Uh, so I get caught up in a lot of future tripping and a lot of planning, of course. So for me, when it is [00:22:00] spiritual guidance, there is more of a gut feeling and there’s more of a present moment, clarity.
I’m also someone who’s quite emotional, which I rejected. For the first half of my life. So I really rejected the tendency to be an emotional being and to have a lack of clarity in the moment because I was sad or angry or fearful. And, um, a lot of my healing has been around, like in the present moment.
There’s not necessarily truth for me there because I have to become a still pond. Like my, my emotional body needs to become still before I know what my truth is. So my spiritual clarity, it has a resonance to it that in the moment I know that it’s true, I don’t have to wait. Um, so that could be from like knowing that my brownies in the oven already, like spirit always does little stuff like that with [00:23:00] me, where it’s like, Hey, uh, you should go get the brownies outta the oven.
They’re perfectly done right now. Um, and then there’s other stuff that’s just like you need to. , you know, just very clear messages. Yeah. So when I give my intuitive messages, there’s always a feeling of like, it needs to jump out of me. Someone needs to hear this. Like, this is for somebody. Um, and sometimes it’s just for myself and.
My experience of it. I don’t know if this is your experience too. Like I can be quite obstinate to their suggestions, especially around rest. Like, Nope, don’t wanna do that. Nope, not gonna do it. Or like, Hey, we don’t like your boyfriend, we don’t think he’s very good for you. Um, I’ll be like, well, thank you, but um, I’m still gonna do it.
So, uh, . Like the surprising thing for me is like that Spirit, spirit has very good [00:24:00] guidance, but sometimes we need the experience on the earth plane to complete us in some way. So like they may say, you’re not supposed to be with this person. It’s not ultimately good for you, but you’re like, well, I really need to be gaslit for a while so that I can learn how to not be with that.
I don’t wanna be with that because I will repeat that lesson if I don’t learn it. You. . I love that you’re saying this because one of what I see, one of the biggest misconceptions about Spirit guides, and I had this misconception myself, is I think people have this idea that it’s like, okay, once I’m connected to my spirit guides, I’m gonna have all of the answers.
Hmm. And I’m just gonna follow their guidance and life is going to be easy, and I’m not gonna make these mistakes and I’m not gonna hurt. And our spirit guides and our spirit team. To me, I would l if you feel different, I’d love to hear your opinion are like [00:25:00] a resource pool and they’re here to help us and to guide us our higher, our hi from our higher self, our higher consciousness.
And we still get, I, we get to, to interact with them. We get to like the way you and I are interacting, we get to interact with our spirit. Mm-hmm. , we don’t have to take, they. . Yeah. For direct face value, we can give them pushback. We can say, oh, I want more, I need different, I disagree. Um, which I think is gonna be a really, once this concept kind of hits the mainstream and people start practicing it this way and they start getting the positive response that in their life from interacting with them this way, I think it’s only gonna grow.
Um, because the. I think grow meaning like people are gonna start working with their spirit guides more. Cause it just makes a lot more sense and you get more out of it, but you’re right. Mm-hmm. , it’s not always, and, and I’ve asked my [00:26:00] spirit guides for guidance before, and I make a decision that I fall flat on my face.
And I’m like, wait a second. What was that all about? And they’re like, you needed that experience. . Mm-hmm. . Rude. Rude . Yeah. And it’s like the most important stuff to me. Um, I usually can’t get guidance on that stuff, um, because I’m not really supposed to know. Yeah. And so it’s so frustrating. and I know which ones those are because when I ask for guidance, I get compassion where I’m like, okay, I need the answers about where my money’s gonna come from for the next six months.
And they’re like, oh my God, we love you so much. You’re doing so good. And I’m like, no, no, . That’s not what I wanted.
No, no, no. Give me six steps. Yes. How is this money coming in? Yeah, and that’s just the lesson. Like so much of the stuff I’m realizing that like we’re [00:27:00] just, we’re here to learn the lessons and they, they support us through it. and what I’m, what I’m finding is that, um, they, I’m just so encouraged to use love, to use compassion with myself, to not lean on fear so much, to not lean on guilt so much.
And they tell me over and over, just like you, you really can’t do this wrong. You know, like, stop trying to do everything so perfect. Stop trying to put so much pressure. I hear that all the time too. I, I hear it with that in client sessions all the time. Hmm. I mean, Themes come through in sessions often, and that is definitely one of them is spirit guides, letting people know, it’s almost like they want us to push our boundaries a bit more.
Mm-hmm. energetically. Mm-hmm. and, um, and that because they, we can’t do it wrong, so why not go for it. I totally agree. Like, One of the things that I’ve discovered since becoming more [00:28:00] spiritually attuned is like to not be playing so small, like to, um, to go all out in some ways to have as many experiences as possible.
Um, I’m getting so many messages about fertility and sexuality, um, and I, I’ve kind of been like, do I want kids or do I want to be able to sleep regularly? Like I really have been like, am I gonna have kids in this life? I don’t feel like it was strongly planned for me, and I keep coming back to like, eh, just do it.
You know, like, just do it. And, um, . That’s the way I’ve been living for probably the last two years, and I’ve come up against a lot of new lessons because of it. A lot of responsibilities, and I think that’s why, that’s why we live small a lot of the time, is like we do not wanna take on [00:29:00] responsibilities. We don’t want to be at fault for things that went wrong.
We don’t wanna feel guilty about the things that we failed at. Marion Williamson talks a lot about the, the, um, tendency to not take on new change, to not take on our own power, um, because we do not want the responsibility that comes with it. That couldn’t be, that couldn’t resonate more. And it brings me to that feeling of, which we touched on earlier, is at the end of the day, we all just want to be.
Mm-hmm. . I think that’s our, which is fear in a lot of ways. And then at the same time, also very understandable. Mm-hmm. very understandable. So you also hold space for messages that you share on your TikTok. And what I have noticed is [00:30:00] how there are, there’ll be collective themes. So the way I see this energy,
Say for example, you and I, you know, there’s, there’s, you and I each have individual things that we’re working on, and then at a collective level there’s different themes, different people are working on, and we all opt into different versions of them. Mm-hmm. and I, I, I call it like energy therapy because we’re all doing so much internal processing.
It’s really refreshing at times to go onto social media and say, oh, there’s other people out there mm-hmm. who are experiencing this. Way. I think those spiritual messages are a great validation. Uh, naturally as humans sometimes we tend to lean on that too much versus going within . Mm-hmm. . So, and I, and I think part, I do believe part of the reason that we do that is because we’re so starved to talk about energy, to understand our energy, to feel truly [00:31:00] feeling mm-hmm.
So when we do that whatsoever, , what are some themes that you’ve been holding space for channeling as of late? What are you noticing in the collective? What messages have been coming through? I’ll go ahead and list them, and then I’ll just talk about the way that I, I guess, bring those forward. Um, so mm-hmm.
the tendency to see all things as a. Pie chart and like certain people get bigger pieces of the pie and other people get smaller pieces and it’s not fair. So, um, not seeing life so much like that as a, um, pie to take away from, but more like a, an endless continuum. So my favorite, um, metaphor for that is [00:32:00] not that we are these separated individuals, but we are like this ocean and like the ocean ebbs and flows and like there are waves that are being tall at the moment while other waves are not manifesting right.
And all work together. So when the tide comes in, another part of the tide goes out. And so it’s kind of like, when my life seems low or my life seems stagnant, there’s just another life that is doing something else that’s complimentary to that. So like I kind of see everything as this huge compliment, um, rather than a pie charts.
People are taking things away. Um, it’s a very competitive energy. So the more that we can see our connectedness with the collective, um, that tendency is so. connected to like the survival mode that’s been going on, um, like for a long time. We’re really moving out of it and moving into this place where all people can be [00:33:00] accommodated and we don’t need to see, um, we just don’t need to judge it so hard when we, we see people struggling because it really is just a, a part of life.
Mm-hmm. , so there’s, there’s, there’s, that’s like kind of a, a big thematic thing. There’s also, there’s overwhelm coming in in June and, um, I don’t feel like it, it really is, um, there’s anything to be done about it. It almost just feels like, kind of like a cold snap comes in, like just overwhelm is coming in and, mm-hmm.
People holding space for overwhelm, recognizing that the way that they hold life. So it the, in the way that I talked about like, oh, this week feels overscheduled for me, but it’s more about the way that I’m judging my own energy and my ability to show up for my schedule. So it can be a lot of the way that we hold our life.
Not that we are not resting enough, but when we are [00:34:00] resting, we’re worried about what we’re not doing. If that makes. Yeah, absolutely. That rings a bell. . Yeah. So other themes, um, there’s a lot of stuff about identity in, um, may. and, um, discovering new things about identity internal shifts. And it feels like, um, in June that’s shifting into an awareness of one-on-one relationships.
So how am I showing up in my one-on-one relationships? How are my past beliefs affecting? the way that I trust people. Um, the way that I choose to show up with people. A lot of this is like, um, authenticity stuff as well. Also, the contrast between authenticity and vulnerability. Um, that they’re different and I think a lot of us are experimenting a [00:35:00] little bit more with vulnerability, um, in new ways.
I talked about this morning, accommodating. and understanding that us accommodating ourselves doesn’t mean that we’re taking away from other people or that we’re being selfish and mm-hmm. . I love the magic. I think that’s one of the things that I, um, that keeps me going with spirituality is how magical it can be.
And there is, there’s no line, um, sometimes between the magic and the day-to-day, you. . Sometimes I make videos and people are like, oh, there are ferries all around you, and I’m like, oh, I can’t see them. I wish I could . Yeah. Right. That’s such an interesting point. It makes me think about how one of the things that comes through for me that spirit just wants me to blare is [00:36:00] every single.
underestimates, their personal power heavily underestimates their personal power. And it’s interesting to me that, and, and I still underestimate my power in different ways. Like that’s something I’ll probably always be working on. And as I observe all of us going through this great healing process, it’s gonna be really interesting to me to see how we finally step into and align with whatever that is.
But I think it’s gonna be, For people to feel into their own personal intrinsic truth, their own personal magic in order for us to create the change on earth. They just said swift change. I don’t know why they brought up Swift, but I think that it’s, there’s definitely a link between those things. So, I don’t know if you saw my video, but like I spend a lot of time with like goats and sheep and dogs.
Um, and animals don’t do this. Animals don’t under [00:37:00] power themselves. And like I can sense every time I do a reading, the the special ways, everyone has a very unique way of disempowering themselves and it’s whatever they believe that they’re supposed to be. But like when you spend time with a. the pig is just like, hello, I’m a pig.
Get outta my way. Like, you know, and I wish that humans did that. Humans are so afraid to hurt people’s feelings. They, they want to strike the earth lightly. And it’s almost, it almost feels like just a hesitance to make any mark. Don’t wanna be at fault for things. At least that’s how it shows up for me.
And I, I had a very talent. , um, energy worker cleared me out one time and it just felt like she fixed everything inside me. That was a blockage temporarily. Like she just, she just zipped it up. She just put like a yellow brick road. It threw all my chakras and it lasted for like a month. It was [00:38:00] beautiful.
And what I felt during that time was like, oh, nothing is my fault. Like ultimately, There is of course a spiritual sense of karma and like if I wrong someone, I need to make that right. I need to make amends for it, but I don’t need to be constantly looking out for it. Like if I hurt someone’s feelings, I can become aware and I can make that right, but I’m really just like meant to live in my energy and not be withdrawing it to prevent something from happening.
Great. That fear, it’s that old statement of what would we do if we had no fear? Mm-hmm. , it’s, it’s the, all those things. So what do you think shifted after a month that you didn’t feel the same way anymore? I could feel my old traumas compiling again in, and when they first started, what I [00:39:00] realized is, oh,
Okay. So I am always okay. I am perfect. I am like pure love. That’s what it felt like. And then, um, old beliefs, old Hertz would just pile up in me and like I would process them. So I’d be like, okay, I need to go in, I need to feel this and allow it to pass through. Um, so I would like let it pass through.
right? And then another one would come in the next day. I’m like, Ugh, get outta here. Like this is old, like blockages. And what I realized is like, because I hadn’t worked through that stuff, those traumas, like those were gonna keep piling up. And so, , um, there’s a TikTok, uh, her name is All Things Wu. Um, she talks about the tendency to have blockages and how our blockages block source energy.
She has a really clear channel on like how all this works and, um, that’s [00:40:00] really how it felt for me, that there were past beliefs, past blockages, hurts, traumas that blocked, seeing things clearly. and working with source energy clearly. So, um, when strong emotions come up for me, when negativity comes for me, I realize that I need to become a skilled person in allowing them, accepting them, not over-identifying.
There’s just like, spirituality for me can really boil down to how am I misusing my. Like how can I use it in the most loving and effective way that is in tune with myself as a spiritual being? And when I use fear, it kind of drains my energy. When I’m over focused on anger, it drains my energy. When I get caught up with my past traumas, when I get caught up with blaming people, it wastes my energy.
Not that I don’t, that I [00:41:00] need to reject. the negative side of life, but that I need to be, be in better flow with it. Does that make sense? Yeah. I think that’s such a beautiful way to put it and we’ll wrap it up with that. I do want to elaborate on one more thing, which is I, I, another, to me, another misnomer out there currently in the spiritual world is, energy healers or practitioners are going, it’s gonna be like a night and day experience.
They’re gonna fix us. Hmm. And what I have found to be true is I can only hold space for as much as someone wants to shift and is doing their own internal work. . So sometimes people show up for a session, like, I just wanna see what my guides have to say. And I’m like, okay, interesting. And then there’s other people who are going through so much of their own personal inner work that it is like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, shift, shift, shift.
They shift so much in [00:42:00] session. Mm-hmm. . So it’s such an interesting, uh, such an interesting experience that you had. And I think you put that so beautifully at the end is Yeah, the way that you look at your energy as a form to evolve and. So, mm-hmm. , huge work. Huge work that you’re doing, and thank you so much for sharing your experiences and your practices and the information you’re getting.
Cause I know it’s helping a lot of people, so thank you. Yeah, some people are so blocked off and I don’t, I don’t know if people recognize that our ability to see them has a lot to do with their own ability to see themselves. Yeah. Uh, and like us as um, you know, spiritual teachers, spiritual people who hold space for people spiritually, we often act as mirrors.
So we’re there to help you see parts of yourself that you don’t see. . Carl Young said [00:43:00] that, um, people’s, you know, people’s shadow side often becomes invisible to them, but it’s quite visible to everybody else who deals with them. And, um, . I’ve had a lot of practice interacting with people, seeing parts of people that they don’t see in themselves.
And so I can usually recognize a pattern where I go, oh yeah, that lady five years ago, this person is doing the same kind of pattern here. It’s almost like a pattern recognition in people’s psychology. and it really like the people who are shut off. They can seem really present and really open, but their energy is not.
And there are other people that are really standoffish and really almost, um, , their expressive side is shut down, but their energy is very clear like a window. And I don’t think people are very [00:44:00] practiced at, um, like good energy hygiene. That’s one of the things that I look to you to learn. because I am, um, like this shutoff empath, I have denied my whole life that I was empathic.
I have shut off to people’s needs and I recognize that was because I was actually so enmeshed with other people’s needs that I would have probably died if I had stayed as empathic as I was when I was young. So I kind of became like this totally shut off person. because it would’ve killed me because I was not skilled at this.
Um, and as I open up my heart, I go, oh, wow. I was way too sensitive. It was way too big, too much empathy and um, One of the tarot readers that I saw recently was like, you know that you take on people’s energy, right? You know that other people’s [00:45:00] energy is gonna affect you. You need to be doing more to protect yourself.
And I was like, no, people don’t bother me. Nope, not at all. I don’t experience that. And she was like, yeah, you just haven’t, you haven’t connected with that part of yourself yet. You’re still shut off a little bit. So I guess I have a little bit, I, I’m shifting a little bit into asking you about how to protect my energy when I’m in session with people.
Like any practices that you do after sessions to get more sovereign in your own energy. . Yeah, yeah, definitely. And I love how we’ve all kinda come to this earth plane together as a mess. , . You know, even, even though I practiced this stuff, it’s, I, I didn’t like jump into this earth plane knowing these things.
It’s been through so much trial and error and it’s going be a [00:46:00] skillset I think we all continue to develop in this lifetime. , I will sh I will answer your question. And also what I like to say first is when it comes to those best practices, I can give people a framework and then your energy is gonna need something so specific to you.
Mm-hmm. that everything I share and teach is an invitation. Mm-hmm. , for you to, you know, I’m a, I’m a tuning fork. I hold an intention, I hold a light and. We all do this for each other. We’re all tuning forks for each other. And then you can say, okay, so you know, in this case Emily shared X, Y, Z. I’m gonna see, see how this feels for me, and then what else comes up.
And then that’s how you develop exactly what it is that you need in order to have that. Uh, energetic sovereignty that you called it. And while we call it that, the guides at the same time are calling it this creativity, [00:47:00] and one of the themes I’m seeing right now is how they are. Spirit is here to help all of us feel so safe and secure in the expansion and growth of our energy.
Which is really cool, which is sort of a dichotomy from where we’ve been. Mm-hmm. , which is, I was like, you, I did a lot to shut things down. I did a lot to not feel things, to not see energy. I was just like, this is not feel good. Doesn’t feel good to be so sensitive. And to your point, how do you, uh, clear it up?
So I, I’m asking Spirit right now because, , it’s always, the answer is always evolving. One of the things they say, as humans, we have the power to do is just to clear our own energy. So that starts by just aligning with your inner light, just acknowledging it and setting the intention for divine healing energy to flow through you so [00:48:00] that they’re saying, redefines, restructures, re clears your energy.
And it is as simple as setting that intention and then knowing that it’s done. . Mm-hmm. . So then they’re saying at a human level, it’s about what are we physically consuming in our bodies? How are we taking care of our bodies? They’re also saying we have not been taught nearly enough, nearly enough on what it means to hold our bodies sacred.
Mm. , and they’re, and they’re saying so many of us, all of us by the way, me too here, I, myself included. Um, we don’t cherish and love our physical bodies. They say we have not been taught that. And then especially if you’re born into this lifetime as a woman or define yourself as a woman, or even, it really doesn’t matter how you define.
Your body with awe. I feel like they’re being a little bit idealistic right now, . So running energy for [00:49:00] yourself. When I do sessions, running energy actually helps ground and then clears and then supports the session. Also, it helps close out the session kind of naturally, and then the spirit always explains to me, intention is everything.
Mm-hmm. So, . As humans, we really love a process. Mm-hmm. and. . Yeah. It’s actually far more simple than that. That’s the other thing. They’re like, energy is simple. It’s like one of the universal laws of energy. It’s far. They’re like, energy work is simple. Humans make it complicated. . Mm-hmm. . The other thing that I notice about your energy work stuff is like, it is so easy and quick.
I’m, I’m so used to dealing with the physical, like on the physical level where things take time spiritually, I forget everything is. , it can happen in the blink of an eye. There is no time. It’s attached to it, and you’re like, all right, it’s done. [00:50:00] I’m like, no, it’s not that easy.
I know. I feel that. I feel that. Well, and part of the reason that’s the case is because we’re all being guided. through this greater understanding that we are always an energetic being, as opposed to, okay, I’m gonna carve out 20 minutes today to meditate, or I’m gonna go see an energy practitioner to receive energy on Tuesday the fifth at, you know, 5:00 PM they want us to.
That’s part of us being in our powers, realizing, okay, I’m always energetic. How do I get, how do I remind myself of that throughout the day? How do I support myself throughout the day with that? . Yeah. So, um, just simply setting intentions for, they’re saying clarity in sessions, meaning like clear energy, safety, protection, whatever it is you need.
Mm-hmm. . And then same with right afterwards, you know, so Yeah. But feels like you’re already doing that . So what I [00:51:00] have also been taught is that the more integrity we have with energy, the more that which is of the light expands within us and around. So when someone shows up for a session, my purpose is to hold space for them for that 45 minutes, hour, however long it is.
And then at that point, it’s my ethical responsibility to let it go. It’s that responsibility to myself and to them. And I also know that by nurturing my light, by holding my light, Coming more into love with myself, bringing more of that out into the world. I’m actually doing more people a service. I’m, yeah, I’m getting a, a message, which is, um, we need to model good, like personal energy hygiene.
So that other people can have the, um, permission to do that for [00:52:00] themselves cuz people get too involved with helping each other and they don’t do it in a productive way. So it’s, it’s almost that we are the models for this as well, for other people who would practice this. . Yeah. And I see it in my clients too.
I get a lot of questions about parenthood, and one of the things the guides say is, the more you care for yourself, the more you nurture yourself, the more you take time for yourself, your child sees that pattern and they will then instate that for themselves. But naturally, as parents, we just wanna. , you know, keep ’em in a bubble, , keep ’em happy and safe and, and that, and we put them ahead of ourselves.
So it feels very contradictory as being a protective, loving, caring parent to say, I’m gonna take some time away. I’m gonna care for myself. I’m gonna go do this. But it really teaches the child then how to self sustain, which is important. So, you know, and one of the. themes that’s coming up and the [00:53:00] things that I’m getting excited to teach is how do we lean back into ourselves and hold and support ourselves so that I can break down in front of someone else, in front of a child and say, this is how you hold yourself through the process.
Mm-hmm. , this is how you hold your light, your it’s okay to have it look ugly in a certain way, and then at the same time also, and at times we need to reach out for help. We need medical help too sometimes. So it’s a balance, right? I mean, you’re talking more about the day-to-day stuff. Um, I just wanna acknowledge that for some people it gets to the point where they do need, uh, medical support and that’s all right too.
So, yeah, I was talking to someone yesterday who was, who was clearly like harping on themselves for taking medication for their, um, P T S D and I was, , you know, you can be a fully functioning human being and also take medication like that would be okay. [00:54:00] And as much support as you need is okay. There tends to be a pattern in dysfunctional families where the child will be expected to be the emotional support for the parent.
So I think that’s where trauma can come in there that like. . I read a book about, um, like mothers and sons and how sometimes there will be a father that’s not in the picture and so the son becomes the partner. Um, so that can come in too. And that was definitely a theme with my mom and me. , um, that we’re getting a little bit far out, but that, I don’t know.
That just came up. I don’t wanna go too far off topic for you, but it’s a very relevant topic and it could be its own podcast in its entirety. So, but it does bring it full circle to the fact that it’s imperative. We take care of our own energy first, because that’s how we heal all of these broken patterns [00:55:00] that we’ve talked about and.
and support each other in community and share these stories in community. And I also, it’s really important to me too that, you know, as I’m gonna figure out how much of my process and my story I’m gonna share, I’m fine sharing it. I just wanna share it in a way that’s helpful because I want people to understand you’re meant to be, I guess broken is a good word, like not perfect and spiritual.
because I think we see spirituality as perfection. Mm-hmm. , and that’s what stops us from doing anything at. Yep. Whereas spirituality, to me, is the opposite of perfection. It’s the, this path, it’s this wounded, wobbly journey. , mm-hmm. . So, I mean, there’s, there we are, there is such tendency to, to ignore the bottom three chakras.
The, uh, cuz it’s the messiness of life. It is the [00:56:00] money and sexuality and like food and shelter and needs and how much we just, especially spiritual people, we just wanna go from the heart chakra up and just float away into the astral realms. And so much of it is like all the time. Yeah, just integrating the messiness and the grossness and the ugliness and hugging it in and making, making it a part of everything.
And yeah, this was, this was such a good conversation. I knew this was gonna be a good conversation. I’m so glad that I just decided to make some space for me to feel tired because it ended up that I was able to bring forth what. wanted to. So thank you so much for allowing that space. Absolutely. It’s my honor always to hold space in all the ways, so thank you.
Yes. And where can people find you? . Uh, so it’s brown intuitive.com. I only have one page [00:57:00] so far cuz I’m still building it out. But I have, um, Patreon, it’s called Brown Intuitive. And, um, I’m working on a lot of writings. I do meditations on my Patreon and, um, mostly you can find most of my content on TikTok.
It’s the same brown intuitive. Beautiful. Well, thank you so much, Elsie. It was wonderful to chat with you today, and thank you for putting your knowledge into the world and your energy into the world, whatever that might look like. , thank you. Yes, yes. I’m so grateful for you. Thank you.