This episode is extra special for me because not only do I interview someone I call a friend, but she’s also a peer in this wild world and I love our conversations. Cathy Mesick is an energy intuitive and Reiki Master, she holds classes in person in Seattle and also does remote sessions for those virtual.
In addition, Cathy and I hold mutual co-creative space for the group as well as for you the listener, and there is such power in numbers!
She shares her experience and guided thoughts on topics such as:
- How to lean in and learn from your intuition more
- Why are we all here?
- What are some energetic trends she’s seeing
- We discuss house clearings and
- The energy of what happens when you’re sick
- So much more
To find Cathy: https://www.cathymesick-energyintuitive.com/
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[00:00:00] Welcome everyone to the Your Energy First Podcast. I’m your host, Emily Marie, and it is such a pleasure to have you here today to co-create with you in this space and to talk about all things your energy.
Welcome back to the podcast everyone. It is so great co-create with you today and we are in for a pretty cool experience because in this podcast episode I’m interviewing a friend of mine, Kathy Mesk. Her and I met about 10 years ago in an energy class, and she’s someone who I call to talk shop with. and we go over a number of different topics, but to start, we’re actually co-creating together.
Her and I are both holding [00:01:00] space for the Interlight Circle group, and then for folks who listen to this as a podcast episode or on YouTube later, and I’m excited about that. It’s fun to really hold a strong grounding and clearing energy, especially with someone else. It’s powerful, and we actually talk about what it means to take care of your home from an energetic level.
What attracts things that aren’t so pleasant? What can we do to clear those things? Because everybody can clear a negative energy from their. Also just a plug. I have a course on my website, how to raise the vibration of your home and clear a negative energy. I’m supposed to plug my own stuff. I’d be like, I don’t do it enough, but whatever.
We’re just gonna keep going with the flow. And I like talking to Kathy about, we even cover, you know, why are we all here? How do you develop your intuition? What does hearing your guides sound like? It’s different for everyone [00:02:00] and she does a great job explaining it. We also talk about some of the trends that are happening right now in the world, including how things are unveiling with the school system.
So I look forward to getting your feedback and input on this podcast. And what other topics would you like to cover Me to cover, to have guests cover? I have the lineup pretty much for the rest of the year in. It’s sort of in that energetic, lingering space, and I’m excited about it. I’m excited to bring forward more people who not just are energy intuitives, but who are bringing energy and their intuition into their day-to-day life.
And I like Kathy’s story for a number of reasons, but one, she did not actually set out to be an energy healer, . And she talks about that journey, and I think it’s such a beautiful way to understand that we do [00:03:00] not always have the answers. And there’s a reason for that. There’s a reason for that. So checking in with yourself, how is the back part of your energy right now?
Are you in a receiving mode for your highest good ? Oh my gosh, the guys are totally giving us a hard time. They’re like, of course you’re not, but we’re bringing it to your attention. It’s like party, which is actually kinda what we talk about, or what Kathy talks about when I interview her is keeping it light, having fun, being playful.
That’s part of the process. Okay? So paying attention to the back part of your energy field. Just you can literally just acknowledge it, say hello to it, acknowledge your inner light. Maybe ask your inner light to kind of fill up the space behind you. Fill up the back part of your energy field. What does it feel like?
You don’t feel anything. That’s okay. What do you notice or what do you just know[00:04:00]
and feeling into that? , giving yourself a clarity, a clean, the guy would say it’s clean, like it’s crisp. Which is funny cuz the energy doesn’t feel crisp, but the intention is crisp, that you’ll receive exactly what you need for your highest good, which is really, really cool. And we are all expanding all the time.
So it’s an honor to be a part of your journey and thank you for those of you who have reached out, who have shared, who I’m sure reached out and thought this is going in a black hole, or I shouldn’t send this. It’s brave to talk about energy and intuition because I do believe all of us here in this community are doing our.
I know we are, because those are the kind of people and souls that I attract, the people who are working on their light and doing their best. So thank you for being [00:05:00] here. I see you. I acknowledge you. You’re a badass in case nobody told you that today, and let’s get into this interview. So it is so wonderful to have you here, Kathy.
Oh, thank you, Emily. Yeah, such an honor to hold space with you and co-create with you and everybody else who’s joining from the Interlight Circle community, and everybody who’s going to be listening on. This podcast, Kathy, why don’t you introduce yourself? Okay. Well, my full name is Kathy Meek, and the name of my business is just as it sounds, Kathy, meek Energy Intuitive, and I do energy healing.
It’s a broad term, if you will about Sure. Is it’s all in encompassing, but the core of my healing practice is helping my clients just restore to a, a more centered state of awareness within their body. And that could be translated as chopper balancing, managing stress better, sitting in a place of just [00:06:00] stillness, having higher states of awareness or consciousness.
Each client has a d. Probably a different requirement for like when they come in, they always have intentions. But yeah, of course my focus is always on the same restorative balance as best I can . Aw, that’s so beautiful. And I’ve had sessions with you and I can say that you definitely do that. You hold space for that so well.
So thank you. One of the reasons I really enjoy working with you and the friendship we’ve developed over time is because it’s so nice that you have such great boundaries and your own personal practice that’s so strong that you can really hold really good space for people. And that’s not easy to do.
Uhm. Yeah, definitely not easy to do. You have to learn that though. Percent agree with me there. Yeah. Cause when you initially start off on the path of doing energy work or [00:07:00] reiki, we have such a personal attachment, you know, we have an attachment to the outcome and that’s the first probably say, misstep that we make.
But I always kind of use the term it’s a newbie mistake, . And it’s just, that’s meant with just compassionate, you know, just of course disgrace. But holding those boundaries is more of, it empowers your healing work. It keeps you in a, a very centered place of empowerment and you can do so much more work from that place of neutrality and you stay in your power.
So just by being in that orientation of setting very clear boundaries, your clients benefit better, you’re not attached to the outcome and. It’s empowering for them as well. It doesn’t create, I’ll say, codependent relationships with say, client and healer. Right. Because he, the client will oftentimes keep leaning on you, fix me, fix me.
Yep. Fix me. Yep. And I’m like, that’s not the role I wanna be in. I [00:08:00] wanna be in the role of holding space. Mm-hmm. , balancing the client’s energy, but at the same time empowering them to reframe the experience so that they can have a different possible outcome going forward, or get onto the right path that they intend to be on and gather wisdom along the way.
Yeah. That’s so beautiful. So why do you think we, as our sweet human selves, , why do we glom onto healers? Oh my gosh. And, and I’ve done this in the past, you know, I’ve known you for a number of years. Yeah. By the way, Kathy and I met, I don’t even know how many years ago we, we were taking energy classes together.
We were, yeah, a good decade ago. Yeah, I think it was. I, I legitimately can’t remember the timeframe. It’s the only thing in my life I can’t remember the timeframe of which I think is so funny. So, yeah. So why do you think it’s in our instinct to kind of gloom onto someone who we trust and who we have, you know, you could say like, I hate to even say good results from maybe who we co-create well with, you know, an [00:09:00] energy intuitive in our own work.
You know, that’s a really good question cuz I constantly revisit that cuz as I’m a teacher, I mentor students as well. And so when I’m teaching students, that’s a core teaching, right? Well I always say stay in your lane, right? Mind your energy. And, but I think early on, since, you know, I’ve done it too, when I was part of it, I think is we, are they new to the world of energy healing as say a student of energy healing?
Mm-hmm. . And as we practice, it’s possibly just not knowing how energy flows through us. And I think it’s human nature to defer to somebody else, say in a role of authority. Authority, yeah. Right, right. Or more experience. So we’ll defer to them as say the experts or you know, professionals. Yeah. But the thing as I realized with energy work specifically, is the more we practice, the more we are empowering ourselves, right?
Even in our own healing journeys, right? If we’re working [00:10:00] through difficult processes, it’s all about personal power. Ooh, how am I using my power, right? Do I say, this is where I use the term guru syndrome? In a way, it’s like if we are constantly giving our power over to our teacher, right? And we’re never really fully actualizing, realizing and embodying a place of personal.
And, and it’s, that’s big. It is big. And for me, growing up, personal power wasn’t something I was taught. I was raised Catholic. My degree is in finance. I mean, I think this is common for a lot of us, right? Not that specifically, but the structure, it’s, it is the structure. It is the paradigm of, I’d say the reality that we live in.
Yeah. Societal structures. There’s always, we defer to governance. Yeah. Something or someone else’s governing. So we’re not, we’re not really used to taking responsibility. For our power, our choices, especially if there’s confusion, we’ll defer to somebody else. [00:11:00] Just tell me what to do. For sure. Tell me what to do.
Well, and this is also reminiscent for me. If you go to a doctor, it’s like, what’s my diagnosis? I could kind of see too how you’d go to an energy intuitive and say, well, what’s my diagnosis? How do I fix this? And then that’s when you start doing the inner healing work in that journey. And it’s like, whoa,
Right? So that’s true. And I think Ike with Western medicine, that’s exactly, we have a mystery on our hands and we’re looking for a diagnosis and then we treat it right. And um, and that works when it’s appropriate, you know, diagnosis, treat it with, you know, intervention methods. That’s true. So it has its place.
Yeah. But if we’re talking, getting underneath and getting into the nitty gritty of things, which is typically energy. Yep. The foundations. It is, how am I creating this illness or disease in the first place? So again, it comes back to. self-reflection, looking inward, looking at our thought patterns. [00:12:00] The universe is a mental universe.
Mm-hmm. , everything is created through mind. Yeah. You know, intention, you know, with Will. Yep. And, . And so I always be mindful what’s happening in the thought field because Yep, it can create things that we don’t intentionally want to create. It’s so funny you say that because it was a couple podcasts ago, maybe it was my last podcast, I don’t remember , but I remember saying, if you were to put in front of me an entity of the dark, I think I use the example of a demon.
And free will, free will scares me more than this entity because free will is powerful. And that gets back to the whole personal power and how powerful we all are. I think that’s one of the most difficult things in this line of work, and I would like your opinion on this, but when a client comes to you and they’re dealing with things and you do have to kind of get down to the emotional state, you know, why is this happening?
Why is this something that’s, you know, [00:13:00] manifested, created in. . And it’s not always the easiest thing to face for someone to say, oh yeah, you know, this is really what I need to change on the inside. And that’s why I always tell clients, you know, outside of dealing with a trauma or a tragedy, doing self work, self inner healing is a brave, brave journey.
It’s a really brave journey. So yeah, this is where you have to have courage, which means heart. Yeah. Yeah. I’m usually really tactful. It’s always case by case course, when I have to address some more difficult issues. But I want them to be curious. You know, I always say, get curious about the world we live in.
Look for underlying patterns. And a lot of times it’s just thinking just beyond the surface details. You know, ask questions, just get curious, be curious about the world we live in and look for meaning, and be cognizant of how fear shows up. I mean, they all dovetail into each other, of course. So if there’s somebody who’s working through.[00:14:00]
Say a cancer diagnosis. Mm-hmm. , you know, that’s a tough one. People don’t wanna manifest cancer, of course. You know, they just, I wouldn’t approach it from like, well, there’s somewhere in the thought field that this happened. Right. But I say, okay, so I treat present moment. I never look in the past. Yep. But I do ask questions and like, okay, so in order to reset the energy and balance the energy, wherever that cancer’s showing up in their body, I start having them understand the energy map of the human body.
You know, I explain to them the role of livers and kidneys and mm-hmm. hearts and mm-hmm. , you know, the thyroid. And I just start having them realize that we are very dynamic, energetic beings. Mm-hmm. and the roll of chakras. Mm-hmm. . So wherever the cancer is in the body, I say, so, okay, so we have uterine cancer, I’ll just.
Sit with, have ’em say, all right. So, and I say that sits really close to the [00:15:00] second chakra. Mm-hmm. . And then I explain to them the role of the second chakra. So it’s about educating them, of course, you know, about the chakra system, what it processes. Yeah. And then I start, you know, just, I hopefully bring them along with this educational process and explain emotionally what the role of the second chakra is.
The mental structure of the emotional or the second chakra. Mm-hmm. , the spiritual component of the second chakra. And I start layer, you know, I layering in these pieces and I say, are there any thoughts or emotions or experiences that have destabilized that chaker in your life? Mm-hmm. So it gets them thinking about possibly, you know, possibly low self-esteem, which does show up in the second chaker.
So it’s basically, it’s an exploratory conversation. Yeah. Yeah. . And then I also say the mind is a powerful vehicle here to repa these energy systems. Right. I’m always responding [00:16:00] to my client’s response system. It’s like, of course I read them like a book. I might be hearing a bigger story from Spirit.
Totally, totally. And I’m very careful, like I might be hearing, say, a, a very true story that’s happened here. Mm-hmm. . And depending on the emotional wellbeing of my client, I either just spill it and just say, this is what your guides are saying, or I’m a little more tactful and gentle in the process. Do your guides give you, and we’re gonna get into how you developed this, you know, your own intuitive skillset and energetic skillset, but do your guides give you any sort of indication when you’re supposed to, you know, sometimes they give you the full story so you can help your client.
Mm-hmm. , and then mm-hmm. , sometimes they say, give the client all of the information. What’s your tell? To know when you’re supposed to ease into it versus when they say, Hey, we need you to give them everything right now. . Really good question. That’s discernment. . [00:17:00] That’s a discernment filter. I’m letting go of ego too, for Right.
Me as a practitioner. That’s true. Always. Check the egos. We gotta make sure that’s a given. I feel it in my body. I mean, I can start feeling a story that’s like, oh, this is what’s going on here. Yeah. I also know my clients fairly well, typically. Yeah. Yeah. But my guys will, I can kind of feel like this is the truth.
This is truth here. Yeah. But I can kind of feel, oh, but share just this amount. Yes. Yeah. I can feel like a story and they’ll just kind of like a softer version of the story. I can actually feel it. Yeah. Instead of like, and I definitely have clients who I can tell, it’s just, it’s the harshness, I think, is what I can feel.
It’s the energy frequency. It’s like if they want me just to say truth and lay it out on the table, I can just feel like, boom. I can just feel like, just lay it out and just. Go with it. And I’m like, all right, here we go. . . But there’s either, it’s reading I, [00:18:00] it’s hard to even put a a word to it, but it’s the tone Yeah.
Of the information. If it feels like it’s just coming in, really, it’s like, all right, we’re just gonna be totally, just let it go, let it fly. But if there’s a gentleness to it, I can feel it’s just, let’s just go a little more gentler with this. Yeah. And this information, I love how you describe that. You know, you and I have not covered this topic specifically before.
What it sounds like, and this is why I have this podcast and this community as well, is because I want a place where we can talk about energy, because how do you describe it when every energy is so nuanced and what you just described, you know, makes sense to me because I hold space too. But at the same time, you did a great job describing it.
It’s like, how do you put your finger on it? So, , because what we’re talking about is something that’s really outside of linear language. Of course. To me, and this is something I learned and adapted to in my [00:19:00] practice, is everything’s a hologram. When my guy just show me imagery, it’s a hologram. I’m feeling all the mental, emotional, physical, spiritual layers to the imagery.
Yeah. So I’m getting a full 360 and more Yeah. Storyline. But when they really want me to just spill it like in a very truthful way, I guess it’s like it’s the directness that comes through in that hologram. It’s just like, just, it comes through very strong and then I just say it for what it is. Yeah. And sometimes I, usually, I do a little caveat with my clients.
Like, all right, the guides are gonna go really direct. Totally. So here we go. Totally, totally fair warning. I don’t, I don’t know about you, but I feel for. The energy as of late, maybe in the last six months, has been a lot more direct than usual. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Notice that it’s kind of caught off guard . It is.
And I almost get the, I’m even asking my guides right now about that. Yeah, totally. Setting that up. Totally. And the [00:20:00] information that’s coming through is, there’s an impatience kind of woven into a lot of the work we’re doing right now. Not from us per se, it’s just our clients are in a place that they, they’re ready to just shift.
The shift is now we have to start shifting. Now there’s Right. Kind of like an urgency, if you will. Yeah. I don’t know where that’s, yeah, that’s. , which kind of makes sense if we look at, well, the direction our planet’s headed and mm-hmm. , I’m sure a few other things. We definitely have to make some changes, but we signed up for this beautiful work.
So how did you know that one day you were gonna have an amazing studio in Fremont, in Seattle, and be seeing energy clients? Can you walk me through a little bit of that journey? Because it’s easy for you and I to sit here after, you know, doing this work for however long we’ve been doing it. I don’t remember.
for me. You know, you and I did [00:21:00] not get started. Like, oh, I’m, it’s the path of an energy intuitive healer, . So tell me a little bit about your journey, how it kinda started. Oh my gosh. I do laugh because when I do share the authentic version, I just, I kind of crack myself up a little bit. Yeah. I had no intentions.
No intentions of being a healer. It, that’s so great. No intentions. Yeah, I know, I know. It started off, I was taking college courses to be a paranormal investigator. Stop it. You can actually do that. Yeah. College courses. I don’t know if he’s still teaching it now, but it was with a pretty high profile paranormal investigator here in town.
That’s hilarious. And, uh, so there is, there’s definitely psychical research. I mean, there’s definitely college courses for this. And Shoreline Community College at the time in 2009 I think, oh my gosh. Um, was offering courses and I took it with this guy [00:22:00] and I took it three times. I mean, it was just such a cool course.
Yeah. So I found my way into reiki kind of through that course, because as you start diving into this world of metaphysics mm-hmm. , the term reiki was coming up, he was an actual healer. His business card wasn’t just paranormal investigator. If he. . I can’t remember exactly what it said, but it had medicine healing or it was like he was shamanic practice.
Sure. I’m like, what is that? Yeah. So in the course of Googling a little bit, you know, and at the same time I was also going through some personal life changes. You know, I started hearing about past life, you know, past life. Oh, we have more than one life. Right, right. So, and I think the universe just kind of through serendipity, you know, I thought, oh, I’m gonna have a reiki session.
Yeah. Oh. Oh this is cool. I can actually feel this. Mm-hmm. . And then I thought, so while I’m taking the paranormal courses, I’m also going down this path of reiki and thought it was just totally [00:23:00] cool. I couldn’t see anything. I feel just a little bit, cuz I had reiki attunements. I went and got reiki attunements.
Sure, sure. And woke up to that. And then I thought, I’m just gonna play with this. I’m just gonna play with this. Yeah. I was the D student. In classes for quite a while. . That’s how I met you. I was still a D student. No, you were not. You always had such a bright light and your perspective was always very, I mean, this in the nicest way, it’s like when you see a huge, huge rock, like I’m talking rock bigger than human, big as a house, whatever.
Like you always gave me this energy. It was just like steadfast, calm, centered, and I was always really appreciative when you spoke up in class, it wasn’t very often . . That’s probably why I . Oh, I was just, I always perceive my, I always approached it from a place of probably just a new student. I’m just learning from the boot, you know?
Right from the ground up. I was having to build [00:24:00] foundation. Sure. So I really put a lot of my, I practiced all the time though, Emily. I came home and practiced every night doing distant healing work. I mean, that’s where my intuition grew the most. Never thinking I would practice this, but I thought, I’m gonna practice.
I wanna be intuitive. So I practiced distant healing and my third eye, just through distant work, really grew. Yeah. And, but of course down the years, I think it was so, got my attunements in 2009. . 2012 I started working professionally. Wow. It just felt the moment I’m just to keep praying that I can do this, I can do this.
Yeah, yeah. And here I am. But I was pretty insecure in the beginning, cuz I thought when I start, I couldn’t hear my guides. Right. Just letting you know, couldn’t hear my guides. I could see things a little bit. Just trusting in the knowing. Yep. My hands were my eyes. I could feel energy through my hands, and that’s how I started off.
Yeah. Oh, I love [00:25:00] that. And I love how you shared the piece about your guides too, because earlier you were sharing that beautiful example of how they come through with, you know, bigger stories versus letting information trickle. . And I think that is one of the biggest misconceptions out there that we’re all figuring out is that you can take your time and practice this, and if you practice and are consistent and are well intentioned, which everybody listening to this is mm-hmm.
it is gonna grow and grow and grow. It’s like an energetic muscle. So nobody will be a muscle. And you said it perfectly, it is a muscle and you have to practice it and stretch it. You know, just grow into these abilities Yep. And let go of expectations. Yeah. That’s a hard Sure. Humans to do. Oh gosh. Yeah.
Because the world of energy, I mean, you talk about social media and other healers that we know. Yep. You know, we wanna, we might and the bad ones. Mm-hmm. . [00:26:00] I think there’s a misconception out there that once you say set up shop or you start practicing right, automatically, you’re gonna be able to see and hear your guides or, sure.
And patience. Patience, yeah. And it does eventually happen. I mean, I think it was about, gosh, I wanna say almost five years before I actually heard my guides. Aw, that’s a long time of practicing before I actually like, oh, that’s my guides. I mean, that was just, just like I stopped almost in my tracks. I’m like, oh my gosh.
I can hear. What was that moment like? How did you know it was your spirit guides? Your spirit team versus Kathy? Yeah. My ego or my mind. We love our ego, don’t we? It’s such a great teacher. Oh, they’re such, they’re adorable. All versions of it. , all versions. Well, it’s interesting how, and it’s such a subtle, for me, this is just my experience.
I don’t know what it’s like for anybody else. Sure. But just doing work with. You know, clients [00:27:00] and I could feel their emotions. That was pretty clear. I could feel their emotions. I was getting visuals and I was seeing symbolism. I create my map of symbols and so I was able to see things and my guides are working through the imagery.
Mm-hmm. , I can feel emotions trapped in the body. So I was definitely reading my clients and then there was like a, another voice all of a sudden coming in there. I’m like, that is not my voice. That wasn’t my thought. It came in really quick and I backed up again. I kind of stopped and I was like, I actually looked up.
I’m like, are that, was, is that you guys because I are you D? Like are you following me? . But it was just a little bit different. It wasn’t my thought and. . I was just so waiting for that day. Yeah. And I noticed, cause I do, I read a lot and I research consciousness a lot too. So there was a lot about with meditation and how I just [00:28:00] suspend the mind intellect.
Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . So like when we’re thinking the thoughts are right here in the front prefrontal cortex. Yeah. It’s like if you make a grocery list, I can feel the words right here up front, even when as I’m talking Right. I can feel everything’s like in the front half of my face. My guides, when I heard them, were back here behind me.
Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And. . That was the difference. I was like, oh, and I finally was able to map it. I’m like, oh, it’s not coming from my mind or my inner ear, my human ear. It’s coming from a spiritual energy center. That’s interesting. Because of the hours of conversations you and I have had, we actually haven’t talked about this yet.
We never talked about this. This gives me excited because you know, one of them, they’ve taught me to teach this and they let me know that this is not blanket for everyone, but that you will sense them in the lower back part of your head. Yeah, yeah. It’s right back here. Yeah, absolutely. [00:29:00] So, you know, we have our human ears.
So there’s like this channel, I call it like the back channel of our energy feel, and that’s for all of our psychical information is really coming through and we’re just filtering it. Yeah. And speaking it. Yeah. So you’re right. It sits in the back and the throat chakra governs the Clair audience. So it is, it’s right back here.
It’s right back of the head. One of the things that I will suggest for people is to get into the flow state, like a flow state so that you can perceive them, right? We say here, but really it’s perceiving, right? What would you call your flow state? What’s Kathy’s flow state? Oh, from the, you know, and I’m talking about like when you wake up in the morning and then when you’re in a client session.
Is it any different? Mm-hmm. , not really. There’s varying degrees of flow state, and it’s how far this is. Have me use human language. This is where it gets tough to describe this inner [00:30:00] space, if you will. Welcome to the chaos of all of us trying to describe energy. All it’s multi-dimensional. All welcome here,
It’s not linear. No, it’s definitely not. So a true flow state for me is being totally disconnected from the intellect. I am not. in my intellect at all. I am actually moving in a flow channel aligned with through my heart. It’s this, I sit further in, I call it the back channel. Mm-hmm. , and I’m plugged in and I’m totally in the present moment, out of time and space.
Mm-hmm. . So that’s optimum. I feel, when I’m doing my healing work here in the studio, I am sitting very. Aligned in that channel. Mm-hmm. , I’m out of ego, completely out of ego and just in the, I call it the seat of power or seat of observation. Seat of observation. Mm-hmm. . And you can feel the difference in the body where when you are really in that state, it’s very [00:31:00] relaxed.
Very relaxed. It’s very high vibrational, it’s very comfortable. And you can actually tune to different frequencies very easily in that flow state. Mm-hmm. . And it’s in a complete place of relaxation allowance. There’s no fear. Fear is grippy. But for me, like when I wake up though, you know, I’m still waking up and going about my day.
And so if I’m dealing with emails, , you know, daily life. Mm-hmm. , I wanna be leaning a little bit forward into my human aspect and, you know, my human self, you know, making choices and decisions and paying bills. And so I’m leaning into my humanness, if you will. Mm-hmm. , which isn’t totally flow state cuz I’m still, there’s an integration there.
But if I wanna go about my human life is in a flow state as much as possible, I just lean further back into that channel and I can still pay bills, but there’s zero attachment. [00:32:00] It’s a little difficult to stay mindful of time. I can see that. So we are blended beings. Yeah. So we’re just gonna kind of using flow in that variable of how much do we lean into our humanness.
Yeah. Yeah. So I always say bring your spirituality, your spiritual self into. everything. So that case keeps it easier where your flow state’s more present as opposed to saying, just save your, your spiritual life for Sundays or Right. You know, they always, you know, back in church they’d say, go to church on Sundays.
Well, what happens to the rest of the week? ? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That’s a, that’s a good analogy actually. I know I grew up as a Catholic too, so, you know, it’s like, just go to church on Sundays and wipe that slate clean. Right. And then you have the rest of the week what happens. But I’m like, so for me, I try to walk my walk, talk every day.
I stay as centered as I can. You know, we’re human and I try and just keep that flow state very present. Yeah. [00:33:00] Don’t worry about the future. Don’t regret the past. Just stay present as much and embodied, fully embodied as much as. That’s flow state . Yeah, agreed. Agreed. I mean, we could do an entire episode on flow State alone.
Oh gosh. You and I could talk hours on that. Yeah. And many, many other things. So if you’re someone listening to this podcast and they are thinking, well, I really enjoy energy and energy work, but maybe being a healer isn’t my future, but it’s more about integrating my true self, my spiritual self, my energetic and intuitive self into my day to day, into, you know, career parenthood, all those things.
What would you suggest for someone like that? That is beautiful actually. You don’t have to be a healer. What? Bringing our spirituality into our day-to-day [00:34:00] lives, it’s a practice. , we’re blended beings. You know, we’re not just humans, we’re spiritual beings. As the saying goes, having a human experience. So when we lose that connection to our spiritual being, our body, a higher mind or spiritual body, we can feel lost and we get easily influenced by the external world, of course.
And we get kind of sucked into that vacuum, right? So by always remembering at the very core of who we are, you know, that spiritual being, having a human experience, if we create that daily practice of basically nurturing and cultivating that relationship with spirit, however that looks to you. Mm-hmm. , you are reminding this body.
You are a spiritual being. Yeah. And you know it’s gonna be unique for everybody. I mean, this is such an individualized practice. It’s like cuz spirit means something different to [00:35:00] everybody. Right. You know, their faith is different. Everybody has a different type of faith or belief system. Right. But just to bring that into your daily life, it, it provides grace, patience, unconditional love for the self primarily, which then reflects onto others.
Yep. And I think it opens up an opportunity for actually lasting joy. Doesn’t make life easy. I mean life. Life can be hard. I say it’s a little crunchy to get to flow state or aligned state to go from how you’ve been operating to get there. It’s a little crunchy. . Yeah. So things have crunchy. Yeah, and I think also understanding that there’s misconceptions out there, at least in my observation, that when people say, well, I’m gonna bring my spirituality into my life in creative practice, there’s no guarantees that life gets easier.
I know actually life can become it be. To me, it just provides so much more [00:36:00] meaning and it’s rich. And that’s where the magic lies. Everything. You start realizing when you have, when you bring your spirituality into every part of your life, you start, at least for me, I’m not speaking from my lens, that you start realizing that there is a magic that sits behind everything behind nature, behind every human being, behind animals, the whole.
Universe. There is an intelligence and an awareness that sits behind that. Mm. It’s not just physical matter and then we are a part of it. . . Oh, yes, we are. Yeah. You share as you’re sharing this. I feel it in my heart. My heart space, and I think this is what the world’s opening up to right now, and I do. I mean, please give, tell me if you disagree or have an additional observation on.
This feels as though everyone is on this path. [00:37:00] Their version of it. We’re all being guided to this. I don’t know why they’re calling it a great awakening, because at the same time, , when you look at the universe, it also feels so small, . So it’s like, on the one hand, it’s massive to all of us. And in the big scheme of things, it’s like, aw,
You just touched on the meaning as above, so below. Oh, yeah. Oh gosh. I, there’s the, the macro and the micro cosm of our reality. Yeah. And, and there’s a lot of variance in there, you know, as above, so below. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s a big concept. Mm. You know, but you’re right. As we move into this deeper relationship with the cosmos, if you will mm-hmm.
we start, you know what, I always use the term paper doll. Hmm. So like, and now I’ll explain why. Yeah. In fact, I used it on my client before this [00:38:00] little podcast. Today, when we are operating from a very limited lens or human lens, it feels very linear. You know, we’re, it’s gonna be very limited in our experience here on the earth.
It’d be more fear-based, little more victim energy kind of weaves it way in it’s way in. I don’t know what you’re talking about, . She’s like, yes, she looks away. , she looks like, looks away, not me. Yeah, yeah. No, for sure, for sure. Oh, those lessons are fun. Trust me. I was there too. Yeah. It’s just how we orient our awareness.
We’re not taught this. Yeah. So we are much more reactive just to the world we are in, and it’s very disempowering. It’s just how we are relating to the world around. And it seems very surface. It’s everything’s surface. You know, we’re just reacting. It’s always just reacting to the world and we keep adjusting and it’s just reaction mode.
And then you start asking questions, you know, you start [00:39:00] the great awakening. I think we’re just waking up to a deeper sense of ourself. We’re not just on the surface level anymore. All of sudden I’m gonna start moving in and start, what’s the meaning of life? You know, let’s just go there. You know, we start asking, is this all there is?
And you start asking these more existential questions. Mm-hmm. , even if it’s just in your own daydreaming thoughts. Right? It’s those, that’s the curiosity. Is this all there is? Well, no, there’s much more . Mm-hmm. . So it kind of launches us into the rabbit hole. You know, some of us get just thrown into it. Yep.
But first, head first. And you’re just flailing pretty much if you fall. But what happens is we start letting go of. Falsehoods about the nature of reality and we start moving into a deeper relationship with reality, which is scary. It’s the unknown, it’s the great unknown. It’s, that’s why they call it the great work.
You know, this is the great work. There’s definitely some masters out there [00:40:00] who study consciousness and this is why they, they do, they call it the great work cuz they, it’s basically we go from, as I call it, the paper doll, which is very linear and move into this very multi-dimensional relationship with the cosmos and realizing that we are a part of it, which eventually takes us to, I am the creator of my reality.
So we go from very flat two dimensions into the multi-dimensional paper doll that just all of a sudden, Dynamic and multi-dimensional. We’re not just living here on the 3D plane, right? We’re a 4d, we’re fived 60 and beyond. Mm. Mm-hmm. , it’s frequency based. And it’s, you know, when I look back on my process, because as we talk about this, I don’t want anyone listening to feel as though like, gosh, I don’t have this figured out, or I’m not doing the work.
You know, me personally, it was years of back and forth. Like, I mean, I f I remember there was a time where I was like, [00:41:00] Nope, there’s no, I just, there there’s no aliens. Like, that can’t be true because I just need to be safe, , you know, and everything in between, you know, I’m gonna go back to church, I’m gonna go back to this and that.
I was like, it’s too much. It’s too much. So, you know, for anyone out there listening, feeling like. . I don’t know. It’s a heavy bag right now. Just deep breaths. I I, everyone’s being guided on their journey. There’s no mistakes. There’s no, you’re not figuring out fast enough. There’s no, you’re doing it wrong.
You know, you and I both know everybody’s journey’s unique. Like, I love what you’re talking about, cuz I think it frames it so well for people and I just want anyone listening to know, like, Hey, we’re speaking about this because of experience. And it’s normal to feel like it’s loosey-goosey for a while.
Or maybe you got it all figured out and keep it Lucy goosey. Yeah. I mean we’re, we’re never done learning. I learn stuff all the time through my clients, my clients’ guides, they inform me. [00:42:00] I’m like, oh, I never thought about that. You know, you can only be book smart for so long. You can only study with a teacher for so long.
Of course you have to get your, you gotta get your hands dirty. Of course. Oh yeah. You gotta dive in and getting your hands dirty is the practice. So that’s the practice, whatever you wanna call it, sitting in your power. And there’s multiple versions mm-hmm. Of that meditation, multiple, multiple versions of that energy work, multiple versions of that.
And I always say follow your curiosities. So what would you say to someone who’s like, where if they’re saying Where do I start? What would you guide them towards play . Aw. You know, as humans, we take life way too serious. We do. And. . You know, we think it’s such, and we’re trained to be that way. I mean, yeah, of course.
We come in as babies. We’re just like a blank slate for the most part. And the world informs us about reality around us. Our parents teach us what the world is, our [00:43:00] schools, our governments, our, our culture that we bo are born into. They inform us, and then we create belief as systems. And most of the times we just take life so serious.
Of course. And, and I just say, play. Mm, play. Where do we begin? I’m like, fi, because when we are children, we are playing. We we’re outside of time and space. And when we’re children, we have, we’re most open to creativity as children. Daydream, we, you know, we we’re more into art than we aren’t told to be. You know, contain our expressions of dance and singing.
You know, children play, they sing, they dance until we’re told not to. , right. So, so adults need to learn to play again and, and not take life so serious. You know, we get stuck in the minutia and the details of life, and in the world of just energy coming back to our spiritual nature, it’s [00:44:00] eternal and it’s very playful.
As you know, I’m sure you know this, our guides love to laugh. , oh my gosh. And have fun all the time. They make me giggle on the podcast all the time. You can’t help it. And I’m like, I feel like this is a serious topic, and we shouldn’t be giggling , but that’s the, they want us to lighten up. They want us Yep.
To lighten up. So where do we begin? Just get curious. Ask why. Why do I do what I do? If I want a different outcome, why am I repeating my patterns? Why, why, why? Don’t be afraid to try something new. That’s, a lot of times humans are creatures of habit and they love comfort zones. So if we wanna create something new, try something different.
Get in the habit of, you know, take a art class. I always say, get that right brain going because yeah, when we are serious, we’re all in our left brain. It’s too logical to analytical and it’s programmed. I’m listening to my [00:45:00] guide. Sorry. It’s all programmed cuz Yeah, we have learned and reinforced the patterns in our left brain.
It’s like a software of a computer or let’s try hardware. Hardware. Everything’s installed. So in order to activate the right brain, I’m always, Hey, get playful. Take art classes, get out in nature. Nature, since as above, so below nature. our true nature. So the more nature we find ourselves spending time in, it refreshes us.
That’s a good starting place. Beautiful. Oh, it makes so much sense. Right? And then the doing it is the other interesting part, right? Like getting out of the normal routine, where do I fit it in? And this weekend the guides came through for individuals and it was like, you’re gonna, you know, it was tough love in a beautiful way, but it’s like you’re gonna have to schedule it, figure it out, like [00:46:00] mm-hmm.
sort of make the decision to make it happen. And I thought that that’s great advice guides, , make time for play for yourself, make time for, for make time activity for all of it. I think another, but this is kind of how I use the practice in my life. When I find, if I start saying I don’t have time or I can’t.
I always, I do like a quick little end of life review real quick. It’s like, if this was the last day on earth for myself, would I be happy with saying I can’t, or I couldn’t, or I didn’t have enough time to do this. That’s good. So I do just a little quick, you know, epitaph reading for the, yeah. And so I was like, that’s kind of pushes me through my fear of trying something different.
That’s partly how I even started my business just to say I was so afraid. Afraid of failure. Afraid. I’m like, oh, I can’t do this. And I’m like, if I go to my [00:47:00] grave and didn’t try, I will be very disappointed. Aw. So I took the leap. I took the leap, and it has, and it has been very rewarding ever since. You know, hard work.
right. It’s not easy. It’s definitely not easy, but very rewarding. Oh, that’s amazing that I didn’t know that you did that. I actually do that as well. A little bit different. I’m like, what would 90 something year old self say to me? And she’s a wise old bird and a little bit of a spitfire. I was gonna say, she’s probably really sarcastic.
Yeah. Yeah. Just a little bit . So that’s beautiful. And so taking a little bit of a segue into guides, spirit guides, what has, what do you think are some of the misconceptions out there and, and just, we’re just gonna use a broad stroke brush and say, you know, I don’t even know how to say it. You know, just some of those things about [00:48:00] guides, like these perceived ideas we have of them versus, I was about to say, reality versus your experience
That’s a good one. There’s a reality there. . Okay, sure. It is interesting. I think people, I was one of them, didn’t really know what a guide was. Yeah. I’m like, what’s a guide or what their role is in our life. You know, I get asked that question, what’s a guide? What does my, oh, people wanna know what their guides look like, you else all the time.
What do you think a guide’s role is? Spirit guide’s role for me and in my clients when I work with them is number one, they offer unconditional love. It’s just they love us. Where we’re at in this moment, unconditionally what? There is never any judgment. They offer guidance. They don’t tell us what to do.
They might propose options. Have you [00:49:00] considered this as possibly a new you? Potential. Right? It’s usually an offering. It’s like, oh, have you thought about trying chocolate ? It’s like, that’s a good, easy one. It’s like, this is about, oh, oh gosh, it came up today. Somebody was asking about chocolate, and the guys are going, well, yes, that has antioxidant properties.
Let’s, let’s give that a go . They were really enthusiastic, so there’s a little bit of that q and a thing. They kind of ask sometimes they just are validating. Validating our, our thoughts, and then I’m always like, Hmm, did they plant that thought in their head? Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. There’s that. Oh, that’s funny.
It is. I think that is one of the things we wish we could rely on our guides for the most is. Answers concrete answers. I know. Make it so that I’m not in pain when I make this decision. I don’t. I wanna make the right decision. Okay? Now and then of [00:50:00] course there is no wrong decision because wrong, right?
And my guide’s coming in right now. He says, yeah, let’s say you take a path of, he’s trying to say a word. I’m missing the word. Well, so we always, as humans, wanna take a path of ease. And he’s saying what? Say you take a path of dis-ease. In other words, it’s uncomfortable and it’s painful and has its hardships.
And he goes, but as you come through it, he goes, that was the path you were supposed to take. Hmm. He says, humans have this fear of struggle, fear of pain, fear of suffering. So they avoid it at all costs. Absolutely. He says, but sometimes we have to take the path of dise. to come out with the most wisdom and most healing.
Mm-hmm. . So, you know, that’s, I think we always, that’s another misconception that, you know, if we’re asking our guides, [00:51:00] it’s which path to take or which choice to make. Because our fear meters in there saying, I don’t wanna suffer. I don’t wanna be, I don’t wanna make the wrong mistake. Yeah. And that’s what we’re told.
There is no wrong mistake. Yeah. No matter the path, we will have wisdom that comes out of the experience. So yeah. He’s saying right now that oftentimes we get attached to the story. In other words, it puts us in like the suffering story, the victim story. And he says, we get stuck there in the story. And he says, remember, you’re not the story.
You’re not the story. Right. It’s the experience. And what did you gain in wisdom? He says, oftentimes you surprise yourself how you got through it. Every time. Every time. Every time. . So one of the things that I love is, as you were sharing that your guide was speak guide. Guide was speaking with you, there was a word coming through, you didn’t understand.
I think, tell me from your experience, [00:52:00] but there’s this misnomer. Okay. Once our spirit guides are talking to us, clear as day, you know, and it’s almo, almost like it’s a one-way street, a little bit, right? Like they’re just gonna streamline a golden light into the back of my head now, from what these ladies are talking about and telling me, , and they’re just gonna speak directly to me and crystal clear.
There are times when I am getting very clear information for sure, but like you and I are having a conversation, so I am engaged in my intellect as well. I’m kind of navigating two planes of awareness, if you will. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . So I will miss words and I’m like, and I back up a little bit, like, say it again, or impress it upon me again so I can feel it.
Mm-hmm. . And so, and then I’ll sometimes words I just miss, and then I’m like, try a different word. Yeah, just try a different word. So you can tell it’s very fluid and you know, sometimes I probably frustrate them because , it’s like [00:53:00] I’ll miss a word over and over again. I’m like, just gimme a new word.
Pretzel a different word, . You know, I think that that’s one of the things that helps us come into our power more as we open up with our intuition more when we realize, you know, in our spirit guides our intuition when we realize that. , we get to use our own free will, use our own experience to engage with them back.
Mm-hmm. very interesting. And they’re so humble. I mean, they’re so humble. It’s like you guys are out here helping, you know, my little human self trying to get through all this stuff, wade through it, and half the time I’m probably not even paying attention to you unless I’m in my flow state. So it’s pretty neat to be able to have the, you know, have this what you’re talking about, which is the back and forth that I think, again, is one of those misconceptions out there that we don’t get to do that.
Yeah. And some people might have a very clear [00:54:00] auditory experience with their guides. I always, I remember early on when I was first hearing them, I used to. I’m thickheaded. You better yell it to me because I’m thickheaded . It’s like got to get through my, you know, my intellect. Cuz I was very science-based before I Right.
Had the energy work I’ve had to really train my right brain. But it’s fun. I’m like, just yell it. You have to be really loud. . But I love that because that is one of the things I love that you’re actually validating this for me. Thank you. But that’s one of the things I tell people, I’m like, tell them how you want to experience them.
Mm-hmm. say, Hey, I need it loud. Yeah. I need you to be more clear. I want you to come through more often. Like use your free will to create the experience with them. Yeah. The other thing that you know, you go, that’s okay. Early on also, I used to say, give me, I’d look for signs because I was so, having a hard time figuring out how they were gonna communicate with me.
Right. Just kind of give [00:55:00] me breadcrumbs. So I had a lot of signs shown to me and I still have them today. Mm-hmm. that I’d find on the ground and. . I go back, I’m like, yep, that was a sign from the guides or the universe because I had a hard time learning my intuitive abilities. Sure. And that’s the other thing.
I start at ground zero. Yeah. So of course. I mean, isn’t that kind of where we all start from and it’s your own personal ground zero, right? I mean, because yeah, some people come in and they’re open channels already, but that’s the, the exception, not the rule. . Yeah. Yeah, I’ve seen that too. It’s pretty, I don’t know.
Amazing it is. Can’t wait to see what you’re doing. And again, yeah. It’s, again, it’s, that’s their journey. And I Right a little sidebar here, don’t compare yourself to others. That’s the other thing too. I think that. . You know, that’s where I always felt I was the D student through all those early years.
Mm-hmm. , because everybody else was just like, oh God, they’re all saying something. They’re all feeling something. I’m just sitting [00:56:00] in my little chair, like, I’m not saying and feeling a thing. Right. But I learned just to just stay in my lane. Yep. Stay in my bubble, stay in my energy and And you are a receiver of information.
Don’t go out grabbing it. Just stay in your bubble and let it come to you. Yeah. That’s the integrity piece. Mm-hmm. . It’s when I’m in a room with people who are there to experience energy work and who knows in what capacity, but I know for an absolute fact that every single individual there. , you know, better than me at certain elements and vice versa.
Right. Because it’s like mm-hmm. , it’s the way we all cook differently. It’s the way we all, you know, do math differently or whatever. But it’s supposed to be that way because it’s not a better, then it’s, it’s creation energy. It’s a magic. And I think it’s amazing. And I’m really, really excited for this next wave for people to realize [00:57:00] I get to discover my magic, and then I get to bring it into the world in whatever capacity that looks like.
Mm-hmm. as opposed to being taught, okay, this is how you do it. Right. And every person is creating their own version of reality. That they’re, they’re working with their soul. Yeah. And creating their life. You know, it’s, and they could be co-creating. a partner. They’re children. They’re family units, their community.
Yeah. You know, again, it just starts rippling out in bigger concentric circles and, but at the center of every circle, all those concentric circles is your spirit. Yeah. You know, stay staying here and just like you said, create. Yeah. And I like, yeah. I like what you said about, let the information come to you and then, you know, what do I need to know?
Excuse me? You mentioned signs. Oh. From the guides and [00:58:00] you know, or tells symbols what have you. And then I love how you mentioned, you know, they’d be on the ground. That’s the other thing. I think that there’s this perception that when our guides are communicating with us, it’s gonna be profound, but they need to come through Yeah.
To us in ways that don’t completely distract us from the human experience. . Right. Don’t get lost out in the ethers. . Yeah. It’s like this is where we live on the earth. It’s very grounded, . And I always like, I’m a Taurus. That’s probably why I’m always in the dirt and in the earth. Tauruses in my life. It’s wild.
There’s a few on this call . We’re awesome. Taurus. Yeah. Tos are awesome. Yeah. But I was just always looking for signs. Plus, you know, I wasn’t sure, I was also kind of really paying attention to nature. That was part of my bit there. I was looking for animal signs. I also have a lot of shamonic training, so I’m always [00:59:00] looking for nature symbolism.
Yeah. Yeah. So I was always looking to nature for my signs, my guides, communicating in that way. Mm-hmm. . So I was looking at nature, I was looking, I was listening to the wind, I was listening to, and I was looking at the sky. Earth, dirt, trees, birds, I love it. And, but they were leaving definitely signs for me in the early days.
I mean, they still do right. But it’s just a little more mature, I guess, if you will. I don’t know. Yeah. Seasoned. I don’t even know the right word, but Sure. But I do, I would look for signs cuz I just felt like I was flailing in some ways. Mm-hmm. But, but in hindsight, hindsight’s 2020, you’ll say, oh, yep, there’s a sign.
It was there. Yeah. But people think it’s just gonna be the heavens open up and the rainbow or the, you know, the, that classic imagery comes down and there’s your sign. I’m like, okay , can I get an amen? I mean, it doesn’t, me knowing I’m walking this path [01:00:00] talking about energy work, it’s looking back, I’m like, oh my gosh, it was so obvious.
Believe me, it was the least obvious thing to me for a number of years. So subtle. And that’s the other thing, if we wanna hear spirit, we have to quiet the mind. if we are busy caught up in the external world, which is very noisy. Yeah. It is noisy. Noisy, noisy. We have to be still here. Yeah. Still in this inner space to hear our guides, to hear spirit, to even hear our higher self.
Yeah. To tune into these intuitive centers that you’re always firing. We’re just, if we are too caught up in the noise, this, the signals in the noise. We just have to get the noise to diminish. Mm-hmm. . And that’s where we have to have a practice of stillness and a centeredness of stillness get used to being still.
Our minds get hijacked pretty easily. Oh, of course. That’s the construct we’re in. And that’s the whole, that’s what they’re grinding us [01:01:00] towards. And that’s why that path of going from where we’re at now to alignment and flow can feel a bit crunchy and it’s okay. Like I, I mm-hmm. , that’s one of the things I want people to know.
If, if you feel like you’re getting into your alignment, getting into your flow, and it feels uncomfortable, you’re not doing it wrong. Right. Yeah. And again, attachment to say timing, you know, it’s like, well, I don’t wanna, it’s patience. Spirit doesn’t get attached to the house. Right. Or the wins. Right. It just, it’s all in spirit time.
It’s not human time. So do you think there’s a divine timing to all of this? . And how much does human influence play a factor? Oh my gosh. That is a loaded question, Emily. I know. We just got deep, real fast. You did. We just went there. So this comes down to the nature of say, destiny or divine timing. Sure.
And, and free will. [01:02:00] How much influence does the human mind or intention affect things? Right. So the longer I practice, you know, we have free will to make little choices like, you know what we’re gonna have for dinner, . Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. the color of car we’re gonna buy. Mm-hmm. , the little inconsequential things really.
But I think this is, as I say, I think so as soon as I think that’s my ego as personnel. Personnel, I just had to clarify . I. Opinions always evolving based on Yeah. It’s opinions. Yeah. Yeah. So based on what I’ve observed and in the conversations I’ve had with my guides, the bigger things in our life are going to take nudges from spirit or nudges from our soul, our soul, in my understanding.
Mm-hmm. has kind of mapped out a possible life plan for us. Very fluid though. Yeah. Right. Very fluid. Because if we [01:03:00] are not in that flow state mm-hmm. , we’re not going to feel the flow of what’s the right choice for us. In certain moments, we’re gonna maybe choose more ego, little desires as opposed to big desires.
Capital D, big desires are gonna come through and you know, it’s coming from spirit. Your. , right? Little desires are human desires and they’re very fleeting. They’re very trendy. The latest pop culture, this, that, and the other. So, but when we’re in that deeper relationship with our spirit, that center channel, we start realizing you can get into the current, I call it like a current, uh, flow.
Where you’re following destiny. Yeah. So how much free will do we have? Well, if we make a choice that’s not on the soul’s path, perhaps we might get opportunities to keep coming back to it. That’s the spiral will come back and it’ll keep presenting a choice. We’ll keep presenting. Right. It’s always [01:04:00] opportunities right.
To to to course correct if you will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But ultimately there is no air here , if you will. Mm-hmm. But we’re also co-creating on a mass consciousness level. , you know, of all of us human family. You’re all co-creating. Yeah. And then we’re also creating on the more personal level, which is the micro level.
So you can see how it gets overwhelming really quickly. Course, of course it does. And we’re here just to be in all of it. Be in all of it is together. So, so at the center of it all, at the center is our spirit, you know, our true self, authentic. So I always say live as authentically true to yourself, your heart, free of conditioned programming as possible.
Yeah. And, and, and doing so, it might not be the most popular path for many, you know, like as far as the group think. [01:05:00] Mm-hmm. . But it’s much more fulfilling. Yeah. And so adventurous. Ooh, adventurous. I like that. I like, I I love adventure. Yeah. Yeah. So speaking of the macro, Lessons and the micro lessons, what trends are you seeing?
What patterns are you seeing come up right now in the collective? Most obvious is, well, the collective is so easily fair triggered and so I just kind of feel, I can feel into the, the collective and it feels just really chaos. Mm-hmm. very chaotic energy. Mm-hmm. , I think it’s been created that way. Yeah. For a reason.
Yeah. And it’s definitely, this has been this way for I’d say good thou, couple thousand years. I mean, it’s just, this isn’t new, but as far as like trends, I do [01:06:00] see, okay, this is what my guide showed me a couple years ago and it, now I’m starting to see it actually starting to manifest in human. societies.
Mm-hmm. , is that there, what we call it, the great awakening. What’s happening there. I can see that there’s a larger sector of society that is starting to sit back further and starting to question more. Not just taking what is spoonfed Yeah. From so, and it is gonna cause a lot of disruption. Right. You know, it’s gonna kind of break people out of their slumber or question certain societal norms, but it’s just people starting to just sit back and say, you know what?
This isn’t working anymore. I see it in our public schools. I see that that school system, our traditional educational system is so antiquated and out of date. Right. I mean, it was designed in the fifties. Yeah. I think, or at least the core of it. Sure. And it was about churning out students that [01:07:00] could fit into society and be career, you know, lifers in whatever career they chose.
And it just kind of creates a cog in a wheel. and the human spirit is breaking free of that paradigm. And so in our schools have to catch up to that. So our school models is, our educational system’s gonna probably have to revamp. It’s going through some birthing pains. Right, for sure. For sure. Yeah. So that’s a pattern I’m starting to see, and I see it in children too.
I see the children that are being born and up through the younger people, they’re just questioning a lot more. They’re not really just taking the status quo. Oh, I feel like they’re not putting up with nearly as much as . No, they’re not about, yeah. Yeah. And this just goes into 20 year olds too. I mean, right, right.
I watched it in my brother’s kids, his kids, and they’re growing. I’m like, oh boy. Yeah, they’re, the language that they were using, or even in my youngest, is just, you can start, tell the language that they’re using, that they’re questioning. The, [01:08:00] they, they’re questioning the system . Right, right, right. And they’re choosing themselves and what feels true and aligned for them.
Right. Which is pretty impactful. So it’s empowering. Yeah, it’s very empowering. Yeah. So what we’re gonna, I think that’s what we’re gonna see as far as a collective shift that’s happening. It’s just in how societies are structured and how they support humans. I mean, that’s just a, that’s just a simple answer to a very complex question.
But, but I see people too, also questioning, I’m listening to my guide. Sorry for the sirens, . Oh, no, no. The, because I bounce ideas. I’m like, how’s that? Does that sound right? No. They’re used to me having moments of silence on the podcast. Oh. Oh, good. I’m like, oh, I gotta keep the air, or I’ll give you a second here.
go ahead. But I, I also see that people are, there’s seekers out there, that’s the word I was looking for. There’s a seeker movement happening. They’re seeking more, they’re seeking questions or answers to [01:09:00] questions that are very key in understanding the nature of reality. Mm. You know, it could be just a simple question, but I’m seeing patterns of thought.
Mm-hmm. , and you can see it in science too. I follow a lot of science pages, oddly enough. Mm-hmm. . But, but the fact that we are starting to, the scientists, like the, the web telescope that went out in is photographing the universe. You know, we keep going out further and further, which also shows that we are going into these outer reaches of the known universe, which translates that we’re going into the more deeper into our understanding.
Of consciousness. Mm-hmm. So we’re going, as we go out, we’re actually going deeper in. Mm. And they do meet, you know, in that quantum theory. Mm-hmm. Quantum physics. It’s the zero point. You know, I’m not very articulate in science , I’m trying to [01:10:00] explain it, but I think you’re explaining it. Great. So when you go out far enough, you start coming back to the beginning.
Yeah. It’s the balance. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like the symbolism of the oroboro, the snake eating its tail. Mm. In the beginning, in the end they, you know, they snake. Have you seen that snake? Yeah. The alpha and the omega. The beginning and the end. It’s interesting times. Very, very interesting, exciting. Agreed. Stay outta fear when we’re talking about these bigger patterns in society.
Cuz you know, we are of a human family, a collective, but I say don’t be in the collective, sit outside of the collective and observe. Yeah. You stay more empowered that way. Yeah. Just observe. observe, and then you can make the aligned decisions that your soul is meant to make. Mm-hmm. to contribute to. Right.
The growth of the collective yourself. I mean, when you are growing yourself, you’re contributing to the collective. Absolutely. [01:11:00] And, and people, this is my clients, why I say the people, that’s my clients. A lot of times they think when they come in, they start having these epiphanies that, you know, we’re all one and we’re all connected at some level, and then they want to make a difference in the world.
Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . And they, and they immediately go into these bigger thought constructs of like, I gotta do something big. I’ve gotta do something big. Right. And the guides always say, change here, change here inside. and the world will match you. Yeah. Because the outer world is a reflection of all this inner chaos here for most of humanity.
So until we get still here, we’re not gonna see anything really big out here. Right, right. So it’s, it’s like the ripple in the pond and like drop the pebble in the pond. Yeah. I love that. And we’ll just all take a deep breath because it does get to be exciting. And I also know what [01:12:00] it’s like to feel like, man, that feels like such a responsibility.
What the heck? Society, school constructs, relationship constructs told me if I did all these things, I would be just fine. So this transition to awareness of, wait, I have, it’s a big responsibility. It feels like all of a sudden. but trust you’re being guided. What else would you say to someone in that position where maybe they’re just like, whew, deep breath.
That’s a lot. Yeah. Deep breath, so keep it simple. Mm-hmm. , you don’t have to fix the world. Yeah. I always just say, I always say Mind your bubble, mind your own energy. Yeah. Focus just here and, and it, it is overwhelming. I will 100, yeah. 20%. Mm-hmm. say it is mind blowing, but that’s why I always say stay curious and just study a topic.
Yeah. You know, you don’t have to go out and just do an overhaul on the south, you know? Right, right. You’re unlearning [01:13:00] patterns. I just stay in the seat of neutrality and just observe no judgment. If there’s one thing that’s so helpful is no judgment. Yeah. Don’t judge yourself and don’t judge the world out here.
Don’t judge. Yeah. Your neighbor don’t judge. Just sit and just observe ’em. Just say, and as you know the saying, oh, that’s interesting,
Yeah. That one is because yeah. Yeah, what’s the other one? But I wanna say, yeah, that’s interesting. Oh, that’s interesting actually, I was thinking of something a little bit different when people ask me for an answer, right? As they’re, as they’re exploring and you know, we validate each other with our, not always, but when we have energetic experiences, it’s, you know, it can be validating to hear other people’s experiences or it can be validating.
But one of the things that guides always say is it depends. It depends because based on the experience that each individual is meant to have. So, I know that’s a little bit of a separate topic from what we were just talking about, but it just reminded me [01:14:00] of that. I agree. You’re right. That’s interesting.
And also, you know, like you, you’ve said this too, but just being the observer and then what do I need to know for the highest good? Yeah. So yeah, for me in this moment, yeah. Yeah. , you know, the world is really difficult. You know this. It’s hard being human. Yeah. And, you know, we don’t have all the answers and, and sometimes we’re not supposed to have the answers.
Oh, that, let’s actually touch on that for a second. Yeah. You know, this is another reason why we doubt ourselves and or why we feel like we’re doing it wrong, is because the answers don’t come right away when we seek them. Yeah. Right. The human psyche wants to have an assurance, you know, a guarantee of course.
Because again, it’s, it’s a fear program, right. So, and then we get uncomfortable in those liminal zones. Mm-hmm. , you know, of uncertainty. And so it’s just we have to learn to be okay with the unknown. Right. Don’t have an answer here [01:15:00] either. Just keeps us just in a seat of observation and just gathering more information.
Sometimes we just need to gather more information and then, and then until we ha have more clarity mm-hmm. , or we might not have clarity until we actually take a couple steps forward in a direction and then, Hmm. I might, you can always change your mind and always pivot. Right. You know, you don’t have to go down a certain course and so, but it’s that unknown.
Humans don’t like the unknown. Yeah. I don’t like the unknown, but course you just change it into It’s an awfully grand adventure. . Yeah, yeah, yeah. . It’s just an awesome adventure. So many of those adventures happening right now. Yeah. I got sun coming in here, so I’m gonna try and Oh, good. Yeah. It’s all reflecting.
I love how the sun shows up in healing too. Yeah, it’s just B blazes reflecting off a building. I hope I’m explaining some of these concepts. And these are big concepts, you know, how to support somebody when they’re just starting out in this place of newness. [01:16:00] Right. And I, I just say play with energy too.
If they have a curiosity, find it manifesting how to power the mind. There’s a definitely a, a neat, fun book out there. I’ve got a couple of books on the Power of the Mind One’s by Pam Grout. It’s called Emo or is it Equid? Equid is a book by Pam. Yeah. Yeah. And they have little short exercises in there and how to understand the Power of the Mind.
And another one by Dean Raden called Real Magic. And you know, some people just cuckoo the idea of magic and I’m like, the universe is magic. We just write it off as science . So, or just, you know, read. Just, yeah. Crazy time. You know, like just crazy or just crazy, but Right. You know, you can, so, and Dean Raden is a PhD and he’s really, he’s a scientist and he’s done experiments and [01:17:00] power of consciousness.
Science can only prove what already exists. Pam Grout E squared. That’s it. You found it? I didn’t pull it. Yeah. That’s a book. That’s a really tough book. So what was the other, I mean, we didn’t even cover all of Oh, we haven’t covered, how are we doing on time? We’re doing, we’re good. We’re wrapping up. We’re good.
We’re good. We can go for another 15 if you need to. Okay. So one of the things that you and I also share a common interest with, although we approach it differently, which I love, is House clearings. All right. Right. House clearings. House clearings. Everybody loves to clear their space. Yeah. Or they go to a space that freaks them out.
or there’s that . Yeah. And I mean, the other thing about, so I’ll take a step back. So when it comes to house clearings, what do you [01:18:00] find is usually the reason people either seek you for a house clearing or seek to learn how to do house clearings? So this goes back to my paranormal investigation days. PPI
Yeah. The pi. Yeah. I was a PI in those early days. I mean, cause my practices evolved over time as I’ve. really sensed into probably some of the core issues within house structures or homes. Yeah. Yeah. Usually there’s something occurring in the house that’s making the residents feel uneasy. It could be something that will label paranormal, it’s outside of the normal reality.
Yeah. Knocking on the walls or doors opening and closing. People seeing, seeing some people, even kids will see things like shadows or Sure. Gosh, they might actually see a ghost. Mm-hmm. that does happen. So they’ll reach out to me and say, I wanna clear the home. And, and that’s usually a, a good instance of when somebody wants their house clear, they want it to go back to normal.
Mm-hmm. , you know, quiet. They don’t wanna deal with, they wanna sleep through the night. [01:19:00] Yeah. Or put the rest, you know, some of the fears that’s happening and their kids perhaps, you know, their kids are experiencing things. Yeah. So those are the things, and you go through them to clear the house. Other times I’ve had it is where there’s been a long illness.
So they’ll come in and they’ve come through their healing journey, you know, the illness. Mm-hmm. and they’ll. Have me come in and just kind of freshen up things. Mm-hmm. . Um, another one is like buying a new home and just kind of setting it to square one and just kind of resetting the energies after the previous residence.
So, and that’s pretty common. They’ll just come in and just say, Hey, you know, and that’s a good time to do it too, cuz if there’s no furniture in the space, you can do it and it’s empty and you can go in and clear it. Yeah. Fairly easy. Especially if there’s residual stuff from the previous tenants. Right.
So, yeah. Right. Which there is, and that’s normal. I mean, everywhere we go mm-hmm. in humanity, there’s residuals from humans. So that’s, yeah. To get the ick from that. Do you, how often do you see it affecting, and I’m being guided to ask this question, which is interesting, but how [01:20:00] often do you see it affecting people’s moods, their overall experiences, that kind of a thing?
Probably a lot. . Yeah. So, . You know, it’s interesting, I’ll, I’ll say from the houses that have had more entities lurking mm-hmm. , so everything is energy in a vibrational field. Mm-hmm. , so I’ve always had, which come first? The chicken or the egg, the entity in the house or the person living in the house. Right.
So there’s, in the course of my work, as with even attachments on people, you might as well men let that little cat out of the bag. Yeah. But humans can have attachments too, not just houses. And it’s always a vibrational match. There has to be a vibrational match to have an attachment even in a house.
There has to be some similar frequency of the residents to attract the activity. [01:21:00] Not always though , right. So right there can be residual information, but it does affect the residents. It can affect their moods, their psyche, their ability to sleep. Some of the darker beings that I’ve encountered can really impact the psyche of the human person.
You know, the being living there. The human, I treat ’em like they’re entities, humans are entities. . Yeah. Well, entities just, I had to get over entity being something of the dark and realize entities. Yeah, entities. Just a spirit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We’re spirit. And we’re spirit, so, right, right. We’re entities, the humans, the beings, the living, I don’t know if that lines up with your house, clean practice as well.
Oh, . Yeah. Actually it, yeah, actually it does all of it. So, yeah, I, I do love, you know, for me, I, it makes my heart sore a bit when people. get the validation for [01:22:00] themselves. Once you, yeah. Once the clearings been done and they feel better. Mm-hmm. like, I’m not, I wasn’t crazy. That’s a big thing. A lot of times there’s such a stigma around some of these experiences and people just say, oh you’re just crazy.
Right. And Right. Or you might have a spouse that totally discounts what the other spouse is experiencing and just you’re crazy. Or they say, no, nope, nope. Not gonna hear it. No. So if they just deny it, it doesn’t exist. Totally. Totally. So I’ve seen a lot of wide variety of responses to this type of experience.
Yeah. Or experiences for people. And I’ve learned a lot cause I’m still a part of some paranormal investigation groups. You know, I still follow, we have to keep learning. Right. So I’ve always, so I’ve learned about the types of hauntings that can still occur. And what I have come away with is that this is where that frequency matches.
Mm-hmm. within the residents that, you know, with attracting what here. [01:23:00] Right, right. So, but once you clear the house, I usually want to empower the residents. And how to keep that space clear for themselves, empower them to own their power, take claim of their space, and set thresholds and boundaries for their space.
It’s taking ownership and it’s the same for their bodies. Mm-hmm. . So like I always say that this body of ours is the first house, and the house we live in is our second house. Yeah. And then there’s our, our car . Yeah. And then there’s your car. Yeah. Bubble your car. So when you, so one of the things I always think about in this situation is sometimes we just don’t know.
Right. And then we know. Right. And then we get to, and and then it launches us into our power because like, heck, we’re gonna let the boogeyman back in . Right. We better figure out our power. One of the things for me in my life that’s taught me a lot is when I’ve faced [01:24:00] adversity in the energetic realm, I’ve learned what my.
abilities are, there’s other ways to learn it too, but that’s been one way. I do wanna put a pin for a moment in our conversation and say, when we are living with individuals who don’t always believe us, if they don’t believe you. Mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm. . Oftentimes that comes from a space of, I don’t have an answer, or My job is to protect the family, and I don’t know how to protect the family from something like this because it’s not yet common knowledge.
So it can be tough. And it doesn’t line up with their belief systems. Right. Right. Mm-hmm. , right? You’re being very pragmatic about it. Oh, what was that, ? Did we just get a hello from something down the hallway? I know. Yep. You’re, I don’t know if anybody just heard there was like a slight crashing sound. Not, yeah.
Kathy’s case is well taken care of, believe me. But, so getting back to, you know, that [01:25:00] vibrational and that, you know, attracting, not attracting, meeting the vibration. So, so that we don’t send anybody into panic mode. Let’s look two, let’s look at this two ways. How would you suggest, and by the way, at the end of this, we’re gonna, Kathy’s gonna let you know where you can find her.
She does remote sessions and in-person classes and in-person sessions. , what would you, you know, if someone says, oh crap, you know, I’ve been in a low vibrational place the last four years, and maybe they’re living alone, they’re single, or I live with a grouchy pants, and they’re responsible for all the ish that comes in the door.
I just know it. what? So I guess let’s talk about energetic cleanup. Mm-hmm. our own housekeeping. Yeah. Yeah. So especially if you’re living with somebody else or kids, it’s understanding the emotional makeup of [01:26:00] everybody. And so essentially, if you can only take, let’s say you live in a shared housing situation, you.
Do the work for your, say, your housemate, but you can take care of your own space, even if it’s a shared space, a living space. If, say, if you have a a spouse, you have a shared bedroom, you can still go through and clear it. You can clear the house and just keep your. , we’re training the energy of the house to hold a certain structure and vibration.
Yeah. And that’s what we’re doing for our own bodies. You know, we’re training our energy and awareness to hold a certain frequency with boundaries. And we’re, we’re just training our energy. So what’s, you know, as knowledge is power. Mm-hmm. Understanding how the energy and the body flows and how to keep, you know, a solid energy field around your body, grow your light, grow your power, and then training your house the same way.
Mm-hmm. . Um, and your housemates don’t have to understand what’s going on. It’s just, you go in and you can [01:27:00] set the intentions, you set your thresholds, you know, bless it. It’s all about gratitude. Thanking the house for being sanctuary and shelter, providing a warm home for everybody. So it takes it outta being fearful, but into gratitude and just being thankful for what this house is doing for you.
But yeah, sometimes have energy. That’s another, they have a personality too. in our culture has not been taught. I know in other cultures they teach it, but in our culture they’ve not taught us that. Yes. House. And they have personalities. I mean, and walls sometimes. Like you can have one wall with an attitude and all the other walls are in a great mood.
It’s like mm-hmm. . Yeah. So that’s, it goes back to that concept that everything is energy. Mm-hmm. . And there is an awareness in everything. Everything. There’s nothing that’s benign that it doesn’t have awareness. You know, everybody says, well, a rock doesn’t have consciousness. Maybe not at our level, but there is an awareness within that rock.
You [01:28:00] know, of course the cosmic consciousness, right? It’s, it’s, it’s still creating it’s reality now. So back to the house, you know, I just work with what you have and understand that a lot of it. Can be be, be a skeptic, , try and debunk everything that’s going on. I mean, if there’s actually some stuff that you’re experiencing, it could be just ungrounded wiring in the house.
Maybe the electrical box needs to be rewired. Cuz you know, electrical units can create weird stuff in the head. Right. So not everything is paranormal. You know, that’s, that’s why I’ve learned in paranormal groups, not everything is paranormal. Right. It’s funny that you say that. I, you know, I don’t want anyone to listen to this and panic, you know, we share this because information is power.
Mm-hmm. . And I would say start by aligning with connecting to your inner light, sitting with it and then [01:29:00] saying, lead me, you know, lead me to the answer on what’s causing X, Y, Z. What would you recommend, Kathy? Exactly. Before you even just sit in your. Place. I always say there’s usually a home, a place in the home that feels like sanctuary.
Like it’s where you sit down and read your books or you know, the kitchen is usually at nice gathering place cuz we’re cooking. It’s where we create through love and just sit there and look at the home and just, just sense and trust intuition and just see where it just needs sp bruising up. Hmm. You can light a candle, light brings in spirit light a candle set in tensions.
I use Kapa as one of my main smudging resins and I just go around and just go room by room and I just go around the room. Oh gosh, you’re gonna use bells and chimes. It’s just you’re breaking up stagnant energy. Yeah. It’s very easy, especially in a spring cleaning break up the, open the windows. Yeah.
That’s why after illnesses, when I do people who’ve had illness, I’ll go in and make sure you open the windows and there’s hospice [01:30:00] nurses who open windows when a soul’s crossed over too. Moves that, yeah. Yeah. Helps them trans transition easier. or probably just lightens the vibration of the room. Yeah.
After all that, you know, that this, all this leads into other aspects of just spiritual work, you know? Right. But, but clearing houses, not everything’s gonna have, you know, a boogeyman . That’s, we’re in the month of Halloween, and that’s the popular theme this month is all the horror stories. So, that’s right.
And I did just teach a house a class a couple weeks ago on house clearing. We went and did a client’s house and Oh, cool. You know, and it was, and it takes a lot of work, but I basically was instructing my students in how to stand in their power. Mm-hmm. , you know, create that again, that light relationship with their center light.
Mm-hmm. and I, and I, we worked on that for a bit, just so that we all felt aligned and empowered. Yeah. Because [01:31:00] once you’re in the light, you shifting the vibration of the house. Yeah. You know, we’re standing in alignment and, and that’s key. So if there’s a house that’s experiencing some things, how’s everybody holding their light?
You know? Is there a lot of stress, a lot of anxiety? If has there been illness, an argument? Everything drops the vibration. And it’s not to avoid confrontation, it’s just know how to shift out of it and not live in those spaces. Right. Don’t, don’t live in anger, don’t live in resentment, don’t live in anger.
I already said that. Or fear. Right. Well, and it’s, you know, I mean, which households in America anyway, and I know this podcast goes to other countries too, but which houses is everybody cognizant and in their light? I mean, this is a practice and you know, you can also. , if anyone’s, I can feel for some folks there might be a little bit of like nervousness or trepidatious.
Mm-hmm. , ask your light to help clear for you. I mean, you’ve got So light is [01:32:00] powerful. Oh, the light always prevails. The light. Light over dark. Light over dark. Yeah. And, and another key thing here is absolutely no fear. No fear. We’re taught fear. That fear is a learned response. Yeah. And it’s, it’s taught to us.
So that’s a. Check the fear, just leave it at the door. Yeah. And just come in there with curiosity once again, curiosity. Yeah. What’s here? And if something does startle you, that startles. Okay. But not fear because it drops your vibration real quick. Yeah. Let’s bring back the No fear shirts from the nineties.
Oh, I remember those. Yeah. No fear fair. Drop back into the light. I will share when I get in my head about something, you know, when I’m triggered my inner child or whatever is triggered, I spend a few minutes in my light and it’s like just, you’re in this beautiful golden meld of euphoria and it’s like, oh, no fear.[01:33:00]
Yeah. , I see how I was being so human. Mm-hmm. and the humans, by default are fearful. Right. So, and it’s, again, we’re just, it’s conditioned within our, I think just down to the timeline of the humans on earth. You know, we’re afraid of the dark . Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, yeah. We have good reason to be afraid of the dark.
That’s the other thing, when you’re raised a certain way, like we all were, which was don’t trust your imagination. And I mean, people lovingly raised us thinking they were doing right by us, by teaching us not to, yeah. Not to believe our imagination, but we did see things as kids, you know, I’m sure most of us perceived things.
Mm-hmm. , I was afraid of the dark. As a kid, I still have to have closet doors closed. Cause there was so much closet. Oh gosh. I’m, I think I’m probably sadistic sometimes. I’ll intentionally go walk down a dark street. Just to say, all right, I’m not afraid of the dark. Oh, wow. Yeah. I intentionally will go put, you know, just go walk [01:34:00] Wow.
Or walk through my place in a complete darkness just to walk through the dark. This is coming up, so I’m gonna share it, but one of the things is when I, one of the ways you can know you’re on the right path with a clearing or like, okay, something around me is trepidatious yet, or excuse me, something around me.
not good, but I’m in my light. My heart rate will go up. Now. That’s not the only reason. Our heart rate goes up. Our heart rate goes up for a number of different reasons, like if your energy’s expanding. But I’m like, okay, my heart rate’s going up because my light’s doing a little bit of extra work cuz there’s some not greatness around, but I’m in my light so I’m fine.
And when you’re in your light, you are totally fine. Now if you go dip in your toe in curiosity pond over there, you’ve just used your free will and crossed cannabis. Right. So the, that’s a good point. You don’t, oh my gosh. Yeah. So sometimes there’s the overconfidence [01:35:00] where, like you say, it’s like we think our white light is gonna shield us from, let’s say you walk into an angry mob, , right?
Right. There is, you know, , you might be in the light, but then there’s also physical mechanics here that you might get jostled around a little bit. Right. But so, I mean, sometimes we, you know, I have a person in mind that I’m thinking of here. Oh, no one, no one knows this person, but mm-hmm. , yeah. Who would kind of test fade a little bit, you know, and I’m like, and you know, for whatever reason, I’m like, yeah, how’d that work out for you?
Right, right, right. So it’s like you have to have prudent, you just have to have common sense sometimes, you know? Yeah. But from a soul perspective, everything goes, you know, it’s like, yeah. Oh, that’s a whole other topic. We could go down. I know. But, but, but back to house, Claire, I just say keep it simple.
Don’t overcomplicate it. And I always say, I’ll go through it with [01:36:00] you. You know, I’ll walk through a house, but. like my students. I’ll say, yep, I’ll clear a house with you. Yeah, that’s awesome buddy. Systems are good. Buddy systems. They are. We need those training wheels for sure. Systems are good. Yep. So, and I do have on my website a course called Raise the Vibration of Your Home and Clear Negative Energy, but it teaches you how to do it if anyone is curious about it.
So, Kathy, where, I guess, what are final thoughts? . Yep. We’re wrapping it up. We’re looking at my clock. Final words and wisdom. Final thoughts. Anything you would love to share with anyone or the guides even have to share their sweet wisdom. There’s sweet wisdom for a chatty bunch. . We’ll just keep talking.
The faucet has been turned on. It’s been left on. I know. We’ll just keep going. I think for the most part it’s. Have fun with this topic. Sometimes we get lost in the story of suffering or the [01:37:00] story of trying to heal. Yeah. And the guys right now are coming in, my guide is saying that they just honked. I’m just kidding.
I know. I have a window open. . That’s too, I don’t know what I was thinking. Yeah, I’m right down here in Fremont. It’s busy soundtrack for Fremont. Yeah. It’s all good. So sometimes we get kind of stuck in the quagmire of a healing journey. Sure. You know, we, it’s like, and it always feels like I’m just not making progress.
And they say first and foremost, every moment is stepping into a new threshold. You’re, you’re crossing a threshold moment by moment. And if we can focus on the moment right now, the present moment. And let go of the past. Sometimes we just have to let go of the past, let go of the story. And what we’re gonna create is in this moment going forward.
Mm-hmm. and each moment you’re creating what you want going forward. Mm. So it’s the present moment as we walk forward in our lives, in this moment, what am I creating in this moment? What am I creating? Mm-hmm. . And that, that is like eternal creation. In this moment. In this moment, [01:38:00] in this moment. Mm-hmm. . And that’s eternity.
And that’s the power of now. Mm-hmm. part. You’ve heard that phrase, but, so he’s saying that if we really want to just step into our power, our power is now mm-hmm. , he’s emphasizing that in all capital letters. Mm-hmm. , right now, where am I? Where is my energy and what am I holding and what is my intention?
Mm-hmm. . And when I set an intention once for myself back on, I was on a healing journey in Costa Rica. Mm-hmm. , we can talk about that later. Mm-hmm. , I set the intention with the shaman that I want to walk in joy. Hmm. And it was the most transformative night. In ceremony that night to align with joy to validation by the horn
Love it. We love it. Science is everywhere. Yep. So, and that’s why I says in this moment, I am joy. It’s present tense. I am joy. I am love. We humans. Complicated. We, we get attached to outcomes. Trying [01:39:00] to manifest things that are like physical nature. I’m like, you’re so good at that. Just keep it simple. Yeah. I am love.
I am joy. I am light this, when I say every day I am the light every day. That’s my get up mantra. I am the light. And that centers me up in that flow state. to the best of my ability. Yeah, it’s, it’s that simple. It is that simple. It is. It’s that, not glorious, but it actually feels glorious, which is crazy.
Yeah. And that is true. Spirit is simple human. The human intellect tries to unpack things and try to understand and goes deep and amen wanders and many tangents and lots of, lots of steps. Keep it simple in this moment, I am joy in this moment. I am love. And in this moment I am light. And then what does that feel like?
It feel, it’s a feeling. Yes. Yes. Yeah. It’s a feeling. Embody that. Hmm. So that is my final. Statement . [01:40:00] Beautiful. So beautiful. Well, I am in the presence of gratitude and joy from this conversation, so thank you so much. Oh, thanks for hosting. This is a lot we covered today. And as you know, and I’m sure your guests know that.
Yeah, this is a lot we could talk about for a long time. Oh my gosh. I feel like we barely scratched the surface. We barely, barely scratched it. I love hearing your perspective and your experience and the way you approach this is so graceful. So thank you. Thank you. You’re welcome. Let’s do it again. We will.
We certainly will. And where can people find you if they wanna have in-person sessions with you in Seattle? Or if they are remote? Okay, so I am Fremont Seattle down here in beautiful Fremont Center of the universe. They call it the center of the universe. Center of the universe. Literally, that’s what they call it down here.
There’s spaceships and everything down here. It’s, yeah. Quite funny [01:41:00] statue. Yeah. Just, is that still there? Um, it is. Okay. Yeah. And they’re constantly cleaning the graffiti off of it. , , I don’t know why. Yeah. Really? Eye roll. Yeah. But my website is just kathy meek hyphen energy intuitive.com. It’s, and how do you spell that?
Will, I’ll put it in the show notes. Yeah, it’s just Kathy with a C, so Kathy Meek, m e s i c k. hyphen energy intuitive.com. That’s my website. Yeah, you can book online through there if you wanna book a session. Yep, yep. I’m happy to answer questions now. I have a little email for me. You can shoot me an email.
I’m gonna answer questions and pardon me, I have a client coming in for my six o’clock. All right. We will wrap it up. And again, Kathy’s info will be in the show notes. You can always shoot me a DM two and I’ll probably get back to you after a few days. So yeah, absolutely. So yeah, that’s where people can find me.
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